Re: [Wiki-research-l] [Analytics] Wikipedia Detox: Scaling up our understanding of harassment on Wikipedia

2017-06-26 Thread Pine W
On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 2:49 AM, Kerry Raymond wrote: > No right to be offended? To say to someone "you don't have the right to be > offended" seems pretty offensive in itself. It seems to imply that their > cultural norms are somehow inferior or unacceptable. > I'm not sure that I worded my com

Re: [Wiki-research-l] [Analytics] Wikipedia Detox: Scaling up our understanding of harassment on Wikipedia

2017-06-24 Thread Jonathan Cardy
I would be interested to see how much of the offence and how many of the attacks are in Wikipedias known and usually obvious stress areas. Wikipedia tries to neutrally cover every topic that would be considered controversial in real life, and it also brings together people from diverse parts of

Re: [Wiki-research-l] [Analytics] Wikipedia Detox: Scaling up our understanding of harassment on Wikipedia

2017-06-24 Thread Kerry Raymond
No right to be offended? To say to someone "you don't have the right to be offended" seems pretty offensive in itself. It seems to imply that their cultural norms are somehow inferior or unacceptable. With the global reach of Wikipedia, there are obviously many points of view on what is or isn

Re: [Wiki-research-l] [Analytics] Wikipedia Detox: Scaling up our understanding of harassment on Wikipedia

2017-06-23 Thread Pine W
Kerry, I think that I agree with you. Awhile back, my impression from English Wikipedia arbitration pages was that there is a relatively small number of users who stir up trouble repeatedly and are sometimes sanctioned but rarely blocked. I don't want to speak for the Arbitration Committee, and sin

Re: [Wiki-research-l] [Analytics] Wikipedia Detox: Scaling up our understanding of harassment on Wikipedia

2017-06-22 Thread Chris Koerner
>but that doesn't necessarily mean that we should use policy and admin tools instead of persuasion and other tools (such as content policies about verifiability and notability) to address them ... >I had an experience myself when I made a statement to someone which from my perspective was a statem

Re: [Wiki-research-l] [Analytics] Wikipedia Detox: Scaling up our understanding of harassment on Wikipedia

2017-06-22 Thread Kerry Raymond
Research-l Subject: Re: [Wiki-research-l] [Analytics] Wikipedia Detox: Scaling up our understanding of harassment on Wikipedia I'm glad that work on detecting and addressing harassment are moving forward. At the same time, I'd appreciate getting a more precise understanding of how

Re: [Wiki-research-l] [Analytics] Wikipedia Detox: Scaling up our understanding of harassment on Wikipedia

2017-06-22 Thread Leila Zia
Hi Pine, On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 2:03 AM, Pine W wrote: > > At the same time, I'd appreciate getting a more precise understanding of > how WMF is defining the word "harassment". > This is a policy question and wiki-research-l and analytics mailing lists are not the best place to discuss it.​ (I

Re: [Wiki-research-l] [Analytics] Wikipedia Detox: Scaling up our understanding of harassment on Wikipedia

2017-06-21 Thread Pine W
I'm glad that work on detecting and addressing harassment are moving forward. At the same time, I'd appreciate getting a more precise understanding of how WMF is defining the word "harassment". There are legal definitions and dictionary definitions, but I don't think that there is One Definition t

Re: [Wiki-research-l] [Analytics] Wikipedia Detox: Scaling up our understanding of harassment on Wikipedia

2017-06-21 Thread Leila Zia
Hi Dan, Thanks for your note. :) On the Research end, Dario is still a big supporter of the efforts around research to help us better understand harassment (as you noticed in our commitments to the annual plan) and with Ellery's departure, I've been helping him a bit to make sure we can move forw

Re: [Wiki-research-l] [Analytics] Wikipedia Detox: Scaling up our understanding of harassment on Wikipedia

2017-06-21 Thread Toby Negrin
Hi Dan -- we are actually in touch with Detox as part of the Community Health initiative. They are doing their first quarterly check in this quarter so expect some updates then. Ping me offlist if you want more info. -Toby On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Dan Andreescu wrote: > I'm reflecting

Re: [Wiki-research-l] [Analytics] Wikipedia Detox: Scaling up our understanding of harassment on Wikipedia

2017-06-21 Thread Dan Andreescu
I'm reflecting on this work and how awesome it was. I see that it's continued in our annual plan under the Community Health Initiative, but I am afraid it's taking a secondary role without Ellery and others to drive it. On https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_health_initiative/AbuseFilter it