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--- Comment #51 from badon fastgoldf...@gmail.com 2012-02-10 00:21:29 UTC ---
It works very well! Thank you Van de Bugger!
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--- Comment #48 from fastgoldf...@gmail.com 2011-11-26 23:33:30 UTC ---
This bug is gaining some progress:
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30610
It may be a good idea for participants here to have a look at it, since things
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Using '_MDAT' and '_CDAT' instead of 'Modification date' and 'Creation
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--- Comment #45 from Jeroen De Dauw jeroen_ded...@yahoo.com 2011-11-18
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@Van de Bugger: My vote goes for the below form, since this is what is done for
the result formats. Either way, I think both forms are acceptable. The main
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What is the bottomline? Who is the decision maker? I can fix implementation one
more time or left it to someone… Anyway I would like to close the problem
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--- Comment #42 from fastgoldf...@gmail.com 2011-11-17 22:10:14 UTC ---
_CDAT is OK for now because the proposed method of changing it can be done
later, if needed. I think this bug is ready to close.
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--- Comment #43 from Van de Bugger van.de.bug...@gmail.com 2011-11-17
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_CDAT is OK…
But what about the rest:
$smwgPageSpecialProperties[] ='_MDAT';
or
$smwgPageSpecialProperties['_MDAT'] = true;
…for now because
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--- Comment #44 from fastgoldf...@gmail.com 2011-11-17 22:40:11 UTC ---
I will defer to Markus on those questions, since I'm sure he knows what would
be best. Which way will be better when there will someday be many special
properties, like in
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_CDAT is internal name of the property, it is not visible to the wiki user.
Only wiki administrator see it (probably once) when setup LocalSettings.php. It
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--- Comment #38 from Jeroen De Dauw jeroen_ded...@yahoo.com 2011-11-12
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(In reply to comment #35)
Configuration: the setting $smwgPageSpecialProperties[] = 'Creation date';
still seems to depend on the user language
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--- Comment #39 from Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org 2011-11-12
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Thanks to all for clarifying their positions ;-) As was already explained
above, _CDAT is simply the internal name of the property, nothing a user
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--- Comment #40 from fastgoldf...@gmail.com 2011-11-13 02:38:08 UTC ---
The implementation details obviously should not require sacrificing performance
for the sake of clarity, which I think everyone agrees with.
I'm not sure if errors caused
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--- Comment #33 from Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org 2011-11-11
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Replies on two issues:
* Time format: times like these are stored internally with second precision.
The formatting is not stored, just the actual
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--- Comment #34 from fastgoldf...@gmail.com 2011-11-12 02:14:13 UTC ---
I think the change IS instantaneous on a fresh MediaWiki install. That's why I
described it as a quirk - it's not always mysteriously not working from the
beginning - only
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Configuration: the setting $smwgPageSpecialProperties[] = 'Creation date';
still seems to depend on the user language setting.
Err... Not exactly.
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--- Comment #36 from fastgoldf...@gmail.com 2011-11-12 07:45:10 UTC ---
_CDAT is not more clear than Creation date, regardless of the language in
use. Making it more difficult in English does not make it easier in Swahili. If
anything, it just
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--- Comment #31 from Van de Bugger van.de.bug...@gmail.com 2011-11-09
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I suppose as long as we note the quirk in the docs and remind people of how to
deal with it in SMWadmin, it's OK.
Updated:
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--- Comment #32 from fastgoldf...@gmail.com 2011-11-10 02:46:42 UTC ---
I updated the docs to mention an issue that can occur if a server moves, and
how to use UTC time to avoid the problem. Also, is the new Creation date
special property in
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--- Comment #25 from Jeroen De Dauw jeroen_ded...@yahoo.com 2011-11-08
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I don't think it's related.
Van de Bugger: it would be awesome if you could document this new functionality
on the SMW wiki :)
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--- Comment #26 from Van de Bugger van.de.bug...@gmail.com 2011-11-08
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Is it working for you?
1. In order to get `Creation date' working, you should go to `Special:SMWAdmin'
and push `Initialize or update tables' (wording is
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That is the exact procedure to workaround bug 29909, so it appears that it is
not only related, but actually the same bug that Jeroen encountered.
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--- Comment #29 from Jeroen De Dauw jeroen_ded...@yahoo.com 2011-11-09
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(In reply to comment #26)
1. In order to get `Creation date' working, you should go to
`Special:SMWAdmin'
and push `Initialize or update tables'
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I guess instead of a bug we can call it a quirk :) When I wrote the report
for bug 29909, I was still pretty new to SMW. I can't remember if I tried the
SMWadmin functions
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Alternative variant.
Compared to the previous patch:
1. `getPropertyId'
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--- Comment #22 from fastgoldf...@gmail.com 2011-11-08 01:03:27 UTC ---
Thank you :)
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--- Comment #24 from fastgoldf...@gmail.com 2011-11-08 03:28:44 UTC ---
Jeroen, your issue might be related to this bug I reported on 2011-07-15:
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So I propose having a setting such as $smwgaPageSpecialProperties,
which holds modification date, creation date, and any other special props
applying to
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If you do these things, I'll be happy to apply it yes.
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--- Comment #14 from Jeroen De Dauw jeroen_ded...@yahoo.com 2011-11-06
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Fragile. If user makes a typo
I disagree this is an issue. This argument applies to all other settings as
well. If an admin enters wrong stuff in the
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In general, having more special properties does not really hurt us. However,
getting the values for such meta-properties can hurt for two reasons:
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I think the user defined property will be ignored then - that's just a guess
though.
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Ok, thanks for responses, but let us elaborate plan of actions. I can prepare
another patch (drop setting `Creating date' in point (b) (point (c) is
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--- Comment #10 from Jeroen De Dauw jeroen_ded...@yahoo.com 2011-11-03
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Like Markus mentioned, it would be good if you could configure which special
properties you want to have enabled. So we probably want to have a setting
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Do I understand correctly that you ask me to implement something like this:
$smwgSpecialProperties[ '_CDAT' ] = true;
so SMW site admin can selectively
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--- Comment #12 from Jeroen De Dauw jeroen_ded...@yahoo.com 2011-11-03
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I think this way of storing config is odd, even though it's used at some
places. If you just have a list of values, why bother with the bools. I'd
rather
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--- Comment #2 from Jeroen De Dauw jeroen_ded...@yahoo.com 2011-11-03
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Patch looks valid at first glance. Not sure it's a good idea to add more
special props into SMW itself.
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--- Comment #3 from Van de Bugger van.de.bug...@gmail.com 2011-11-03 02:01:48
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Hmm... I want to get recently created pages, which also have to meet some other
conditions, so I created a query:
{{ #ask: ...conditions...
| ?Creation
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Like I said, your patch looks valid. IIRC Markus did not want to add any such
additional special properties though - Markus, can you comment on this?
That
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