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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #54 from Matthew Flaschen --- (In reply to comment #53) > I've run this (Steven did a few that the script couldn't handle on my > account). I ran the script under my account, then Steven did/is doing the manual ones under his own a

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #53 from Matthew Flaschen --- (In reply to comment #44) > We will run a script blanking the messages on Wikimedia production wikis. I've run this (Steven did a few that the script couldn't handle on my account). -- You are receiv

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #52 from MZMcBride --- In my view, this bug report and the related change sets were a complete fucking waste of time. Steven and his team were explicitly told in April 2013 that removing these messages would be problematic and they

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #51 from Ryan Lane --- (In reply to comment #48) > (In reply to comment #47) > > (In reply to comment #45) > > > Should 'loginstart' and 'loginend' be restored for consistency > > > as well? (bug 47883) > > > > I don't know. The u

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 Bartosz Dziewoński changed: What|Removed |Added Status|PATCH_TO_REVIEW |RESOLVED Resolution|---

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 Andre Klapper changed: What|Removed |Added Target Milestone|1.22.0 release |1.22.x release --- Comment #49 from An

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #48 from p858snake --- (In reply to comment #47) > (In reply to comment #45) > > Should 'loginstart' and 'loginend' be restored for consistency > > as well? (bug 47883) > > I don't know. The use cases are not the same. Some wikis

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #47 from Matthew Flaschen --- (In reply to comment #45) > Should 'loginstart' and 'loginend' be restored for consistency > as well? (bug 47883) I don't know. The use cases are not the same. Some wikis need people to agree to term

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #46 from Gerrit Notification Bot --- Change 97185 merged by jenkins-bot: Restore Signupstart and Signupend messages for account creation https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/97185 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the ass

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #45 from Bartosz Dziewoński --- Should 'loginstart' and 'loginend' be restored for consistency as well? (bug 47883) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug.

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #44 from Matthew Flaschen --- We've decided to okay restoring signupstart and signupend to core. It's true that third-party wikis have different UX considerations, which may result in a different conclusion in this case. We will r

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #43 from Matthew Flaschen --- (In reply to comment #0) > Just as bad is that the removal of this message is not documented at > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Account_creation_user_experience/Strings , > which might cause problems f

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #42 from Nemo --- For those tuning in now, I've skimmed the gerrit discussion (which I wasn't following) and despite many added words nothing needs to be added to the TL;DR in comment 37. -- You are receiving this mail because: Yo

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #41 from MZMcBride --- While I have the browser tabs open... * loginend was added in r2359 * loginend was expanded to loginend and signupend in r11896 * loginstart was added in r26477 * signupstart was added in r71095 -- You are

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #40 from Gerrit Notification Bot --- Change 97192 merged by MarkAHershberger: Restore Signupstart and Signupend messages for account creation https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/97192 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are th

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 Derk-Jan Hartman changed: What|Removed |Added CC||hartman.w...@gmail.com --- Comment

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #38 from Mark A. Hershberger --- Nemo, thanks for the suggestion. I've referred to it on Gerrit. I think that + using isDisabled() to prevent display of the message should be acceptable. -- You are receiving this mail because: Y

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #37 from Nemo --- (In reply to comment #35) > We'll attempt to address this in the next MW release, but for now, I'll try > to > get I79423c1a05f0359c902d1940c3ffcd5e509dcf97 integrated into core. TL;DR from comments there: some do

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 Nemo changed: What|Removed |Added Priority|High|Highest CC|

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 Andre Klapper changed: What|Removed |Added Target Milestone|--- |1.22.x release -- You are receiving t

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #35 from Mark A. Hershberger --- (In reply to comment #34) > This means that in addition to being a breaking change (that continues to be > undocumented at [[mw:Account creation user experience/Strings]] After spending the time to

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #34 from MZMcBride --- For the record, MediaWiki:Signupstart and MediaWiki:Signupend were removed in by S Page and Matt Flaschen. The messages were left in messages.inc, MessagesEn.php, and Mes

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #33 from MZMcBride --- (In reply to comment #32) > (In reply to comment #26) >> Also found on commons: >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Signupstart > > (In reply to comment #27) >> http://pirateparty.org.au/wiki/Medi

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #32 from Steven Walling --- (In reply to comment #26) > Also found on commons: > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Signupstart (In reply to comment #27) > http://pirateparty.org.au/wiki/MediaWiki:Signupstart (In reply t

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #31 from Mark A. Hershberger --- Just noticed that the last one seems to be scrapping dewiki. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. __

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #30 from Mark A. Hershberger --- http://lexikon.freenet.de/MediaWiki:Signupstart?action=edit (Ok, I'll stop now. It looks like ~10% of those I've checked have modified this message.) -- You are receiving this mail because: You a

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #29 from Mark A. Hershberger --- http://www.dissociative-identity-disorder.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Signupstart -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. __

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #28 from Mark A. Hershberger --- http://secret-wiki.de/wiki/MediaWiki:Signupstart -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. __

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #27 from Mark A. Hershberger --- http://pirateparty.org.au/wiki/MediaWiki:Signupstart -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. __

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 Mark A. Hershberger changed: What|Removed |Added CC||m...@everybody.org --- Comment #

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #25 from MZMcBride --- Mark: there's also "MediaWiki:Signupend". I'm not sure if one or both messages were removed. Thank you for poking at this! I really appreciate it. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #24 from Gerrit Notification Bot --- Change 97192 had a related patch set uploaded by MarkAHershberger: Restore MediaWiki:Signupstart for account creation https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/97192 -- You are receiving this mail becaus

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 Gerrit Notification Bot changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |PATCH_TO_REVIEW -- You are

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #23 from Gerrit Notification Bot --- Change 97185 had a related patch set uploaded by MarkAHershberger: Restore MediaWiki:Signupstart for account creation https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/97185 -- You are receiving this mail becaus

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #22 from Marc A. Pelletier --- (In reply to comment #21) > The idea was that inline placement and linking (instead of of long messages > on > the page itself) would be more user-friendly and encourage concise messages. There's a g

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #21 from Matthew Flaschen --- (In reply to comment #11) > Sorry, but I'm not going to consider the infinite number of third party use > cases in this bug. That's not what our donors give money for, and it's not > what I nor the deve

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #19 from Steven Walling --- (In reply to comment #17) > (In reply to comment #15) > > (In reply to comment #13) > > > Funny enough, I thought this was simply an oversight made during the > > > switchover, now I'm kind of pissed off.

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #20 from Bartosz Dziewoński --- (In reply to comment #16) > Or just reinstate the original message which is already filled in instead of > making a new message for it (Which I would be guessing the i18n would > probably prefer) Thi

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 Ryan Lane changed: What|Removed |Added Version|1.22rc |unspecified Target Milestone|1.22.x rele

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #17 from Ryan Lane --- (In reply to comment #15) > (In reply to comment #13) > > Funny enough, I thought this was simply an oversight made during the > > switchover, now I'm kind of pissed off. Just suck it up and design in a > > so

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #16 from p858snake --- (In reply to comment #15) > (In reply to comment #13) > > Funny enough, I thought this was simply an oversight made during the > > switchover, now I'm kind of pissed off. Just suck it up and design in a > > so

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #15 from Steven Walling --- (In reply to comment #13) > Funny enough, I thought this was simply an oversight made during the > switchover, now I'm kind of pissed off. Just suck it up and design in a > solution to this problem and st

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #14 from Marc A. Pelletier --- (In reply to comment #11) > Sorry, but I'm not going to consider the infinite number of third party use > cases in this bug. That's not what our donors give money for, and it's not > what > I nor the d

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 Kunal Mehta (Legoktm) changed: What|Removed |Added CC||legoktm.wikipe...@gmail.com

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #13 from Ryan Lane --- (In reply to comment #11) > (In reply to comment #9) > > (In reply to comment #7) > > > (In reply to comment #6) > > > > Legal asked us to put it on the registration page. > > > > > > > > And WTF. Why is this

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #12 from p858snake --- (In reply to comment #11) > I nor the developers who recently redesigned account creation are paid to do. > MediaWiki is open source precisely so that if someone wants to put a new > MediaWiki message somewher

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #11 from Steven Walling --- (In reply to comment #9) > (In reply to comment #7) > > (In reply to comment #6) > > > Legal asked us to put it on the registration page. > > > > > > And WTF. Why is this considered a new message? It was

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #10 from Steven Walling --- (In reply to comment #8) > (In reply to comment #7) > > Nobody else was using the message as a required legal disclaimer. This is > > precisely why generic bucket-o-stuff messages are a bad idea. > > You

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #9 from Ryan Lane --- (In reply to comment #7) > (In reply to comment #6) > > Legal asked us to put it on the registration page. > > > > And WTF. Why is this considered a new message? It was an existing message > > that > > was sim

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #8 from p858snake --- (In reply to comment #7) > Nobody else was using the message as a required legal disclaimer. This is > precisely why generic bucket-o-stuff messages are a bad idea. You know this how? There is a world outside

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #7 from Steven Walling --- (In reply to comment #6) > Legal asked us to put it on the registration page. > > And WTF. Why is this considered a new message? It was an existing message > that > was simply stripped from the new form.

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #6 from Ryan Lane --- Legal asked us to put it on the registration page. And WTF. Why is this considered a new message? It was an existing message that was simply stripped from the new form. -- You are receiving this mail because

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #5 from Marc A. Pelletier --- It's not clear to me that they /have/ to be presented on registration, but I sure as hell think it's extraordinarily bad practice to not show it since the positive act by the user (creating the account)

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 Steven Walling changed: What|Removed |Added CC||m...@uberbox.org --- Comment #4 from

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https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56455 --- Comment #3 from MZMcBride --- (In reply to comment #2) https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/55847 as well. From that changeset: --- On the other hand, if a wiki wants to add that mountain of text, we can counsel them not to, but we _cannot_ tr

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