Re: [Wikidata] [Wikimedia-l] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Scott, The NC license clause is problematic in a number of jurisdictions. For example, at least in Germany, as I remember from my law classes, it also would definitively include not-for-profits, NGOs, and even say bloggers, with or without ads on their sites. One must always be careful in the choi

Re: [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

My reference was to in-place discussions at WMDE, not the open meetings with Markus. Each week we had an open demo where Markus usually attended. As I remember the May-discussion, it was just a discussion in the office, there was a reference to an earlier meeting. It is although easy to mix up old

Re: [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Hello Markus, First rest assured that any feedback provided will be integrated in the research project on the topic with proper references, including this email. It might not come before beginning of next week however, as I'm already more than fully booked until then. But once again it's on a

Re: [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Google and Wikidata, Mathieu as an AI responder is really awesome ! Curious, what language is he programmed in and how long did it take you guys to code him ? :) -Thad +ThadGuidry ___ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata

Re: [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Hi James, Le 30/11/2017 à 23:54, James Heald a écrit : Mathieu, You don't seem to grasp the essential legal point, though several people in this thread have already tried to tell you. Copyright protects expression and creative originality.  It does not protect merely a collation of facts. W

Re: [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Dear Mathieu, Your post demands my response since I was there when CC0 was first chosen (i.e., in the April meeting). I won't discuss your other claims here -- the discussions on the Wikidata list are already doing this, and I agree with Lydia that no shouting is necessary here. Nevertheless

Re: [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Thanks, Luca, Scott On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Luca Martinelli wrote: > Dear Scott, > > Wiktionary is CC BY-SA 3.0 as well, as all Wikimedia project are since > around 2007. > > Wikidata too is under CC BY-SA 3.0, for its non-data part (that is, > everything but ns0, that is CC0). > > L.

Re: [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Dear Scott, Wiktionary is CC BY-SA 3.0 as well, as all Wikimedia project are since around 2007. Wikidata too is under CC BY-SA 3.0, for its non-data part (that is, everything but ns0, that is CC0). L. Il 30 nov 2017 23:53, "Scott MacLeod" ha scritto: Mathieu, Lydia and All, As a further cla

Re: [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Mathieu, You don't seem to grasp the essential legal point, though several people in this thread have already tried to tell you. Copyright protects expression and creative originality. It does not protect merely a collation of facts. The CC-SA licence is based on copyright. Anything that

Re: [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Mathieu, Lydia and All, As a further clarification: I just looked up Wikipedia's license at bottom here - https://www.wikipedia.org/ - and it says it's CC-3 ((CC BY-SA 3.0)) - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ - which allows for commercial use. Wikidata.org's is CC-0 ( CC0 1.0 Univ

Re: [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Le 30/11/2017 à 18:05, Yair Rand a écrit : Wikidata is not replacing Wiktionary. We will see that in the future. At least the proposed model allow to include most things that you might find in a Wiktionary article, plus it comes with all the benefit of a relational(-like) database. See https:

Re: [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

+1 Wikipedia and wiktionary themselves rely upon taking "facts, not they way they're stated" from sources. Vito 2017-11-30 18:05 GMT+01:00 Yair Rand : > Wikidata is not replacing Wiktionary. Wikidata did not replace Wikipedia, > and force all articles to be under CC-0. Structured data for Commo

Re: [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Wikidata is not replacing Wiktionary. Wikidata did not replace Wikipedia, and force all articles to be under CC-0. Structured data for Commons doesn't replace all Commons media with CC-0-licensed content. They didn't even set up parallel projects to hold CC-0 articles or media. There is no reason t

Re: [Wikidata] [Wikimedia-l] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Hi, Did not read your whole argument, but as a collection of brute facts, it is hard to see how the content of wikidata could be in something else than public domain. As a whole, the database could present a Sui generis database right (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sui_generis_database_right) , b

Re: [Wikidata] Wikidata page for data publishers including overview of open data and publishing best practices

Thanks John for the noble initiative. Regards, Rajeeb Dutta. Sent from my iPhone > On 30-Nov-2017, at 7:11 PM, john cummings wrote: > > Hi all > > I'm putting together a page on Wikidata that provides an overview of open > data, information on database rights and best practices for publishin

[Wikidata] Wikidata page for data publishers including overview of open data and publishing best practices

Hi all I'm putting together a page on Wikidata that provides an overview of open data, information on database rights and best practices for publishing open data. I often meet people from organisations who produce data and want it to be reused but have a lower level of data literacy and don't know

Re: [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

> you might enumerate the position of each occurrence of a word in Harry Potter, that's all pure facts after all. But publishing an extensive set of that kind of factual statements would let anyone rebuild this books. This is just a representation of the artwork. And the artwork is protected as a

Re: [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Le 30/11/2017 à 10:13, Egon Willighagen a écrit : Dear Mathieu, On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:45 PM, Mathieu Stumpf Guntz mailto:psychosl...@culture-libre.org>> wrote: I forward here the message I initially posted on the Meta Tremendous Wiktionary User Group talk page

Re: [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Le 30/11/2017 à 10:14, John Erling Blad a écrit : A single property licensing scheme would allow storage of data, it might or might not allow reuse of the licensed data together with other data. Remember that all entries in the servers might be part of an mashup with all other entries. That's

Re: [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

On 30 November 2017 at 09:16, John Erling Blad wrote: > Sorry for the sprelling errojs Post of the year! However, please will *everyone* trim quoted material from their replies? The OP was extremely long, and I have now received several unnecessary duplicate copies of it. -- Andy Mabbett @pig

Re: [Wikidata] [Wikimedia-l] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Hi Mathieu, I understand you care a lot about this topic and are posting about it in many places but I have a personal rule that a lot of the people in Wikidata know. I am willing to discuss and explain basically anything on a calm and rational basis. (And I did this on-wiki I believe.) The rule i

Re: [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Le 30/11/2017 à 11:45, Luca Martinelli a écrit : Il 30 nov 2017 09:55, "John Erling Blad" > ha scritto: Please keep this civil and on topic! I was just pointing out that CC0 wasn't forced down our throat by Silicon Valley's Fifth Column supposed embodiment, that

Re: [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

This was added to the wrong email, sorry for that. On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 11:45 AM, Luca Martinelli wrote: > Il 30 nov 2017 09:55, "John Erling Blad" ha scritto: > > Please keep this civil and on topic! > > I was just pointing out that CC0 wasn't forced down our throat by Silicon > Valley's Fi

Re: [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Le 30/11/2017 à 08:57, Luca Martinelli a écrit : I basically stopped reading this email after the first attack to Denny. That's sad to read, but I guess I must mostly blame my unfortunate formulations. I was there since the beginning, and I do recall the *extensive* discussion about what li

Re: [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Hoi Gerard, Le 30/11/2017 à 08:46, Gerard Meijssen a écrit : Hoi, With all due respect. The way you treat Denny Vrandečić is a personal attack. If he feels so, then I apologize to him. I'm not in a quest against any one, I don't make the problem a question of person. Also, I initially where

Re: [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Il 30 nov 2017 09:55, "John Erling Blad" ha scritto: Please keep this civil and on topic! I was just pointing out that CC0 wasn't forced down our throat by Silicon Valley's Fifth Column supposed embodiment, that we actually discussed several alternatives (ODbL included, which I saw was mentioned

Re: [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Le 30/11/2017 à 02:00, Gregor Hagedorn a écrit : I fully support CC0. The question of commercial is misleading here, all of Wikipedia can by used commercially under its CC BY-SA licence. We can all have different opinions about Google, but not that commercial use includes most universities an

Re: [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Saluton Nicolas, Le 30/11/2017 à 00:23, Nicolas VIGNERON a écrit : Mathieu, I know you and like you personally, that why I can say that this mail is clearly not your best argument. Despite saying multiple times this is not a manifesto nor against Wikidata, your mail seems clearly fuelled wi

Re: [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Sorry for the sprelling errojs, my post was written on a cellphone set to Norwegian. On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 9:55 AM, John Erling Blad wrote: > Please keep this civil and on topic! > > Licensing was discussed in the start of the project, as in start of > developing code for the project, and as I

Re: [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

A single property licensing scheme would allow storage of data, it might or might not allow reuse of the licensed data together with other data. Remember that all entries in the servers might be part of an mashup with all other entries. On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 9:55 AM, John Erling Blad wrote: >

Re: [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Dear Mathieu, On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 10:45 PM, Mathieu Stumpf Guntz < psychosl...@culture-libre.org> wrote: > I forward here the message I initially posted on the Meta Tremendous > Wiktionary User Group talk page >

Re: [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Please keep this civil and on topic! Licensing was discussed in the start of the project, as in start of developing code for the project, and as I recall it the arguments for CC0 was valid and sound. That was long before Danny started working for Google. As I recall it was mention during first we

Re: [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

Oh, and by the way, ODbL was considered as a potential license, but I recall that that license could have been incompatible for reuse with CC BY-SA 3.0. It was actually a point of discussion with the Italian OpenStreetMap community back in 2013, when I first presented at the OSM-IT meeting the poss