Re: [Wikidata] WIkidata reasoning (Was: Properties for family relationships in Wikidata)

2015-08-27 Thread Svavar Kjarrval
On fim 27.ágú 2015 15:52, Markus Krötzsch wrote: > On 27.08.2015 14:43, Svavar Kjarrval wrote: >> So far from the other thread, the current need seems to be for two types >> of definitions: >> 1. How to interpret declarations depending on associated properties. >

Re: [Wikidata] WIkidata reasoning (Was: Properties for family relationships in Wikidata)

2015-08-27 Thread Svavar Kjarrval
item in the specific link has precedence, then the machine would solve it by determining that mayors are generally humans but Stubbs being a cat is an exception to that rule. [1] Didn't see the Highlander reference until I had written it. - Svavar Kjarrval signature.asc Des

Re: [Wikidata] Properties for family relationships in Wikidata

2015-08-26 Thread Svavar Kjarrval
e should find out why it's happening. Is there a tool where one can put in a Wikidata item and it extracts declarations based on "higher" properties like subclass or instance of? Like if I were to input the item for Stubbs, it would travel the hierarchy and tell me what would

Re: [Wikidata] Properties for family relationships in Wikidata

2015-08-26 Thread Svavar Kjarrval
The problem is that a machine cannot automatically understand that. Without special programming and/or a way to define contradictions like that in Wikidata, both facts are assumed to be correct. The machine might not even know that there is a contradiction at all

Re: [Wikidata] Properties for family relationships in Wikidata

2015-08-26 Thread Svavar Kjarrval
t list due to travelling backwards via such relations. In essence, it seems like P21 either wrongfully allows definitions of genders of non-humans or that the property is too broad for a declaration of P31->Q18608871. - Svavar Kjarrval signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [Wikidata] Properties for family relationships in Wikidata

2015-08-26 Thread Svavar Kjarrval
which indicates in machine readable interpretation that it is about the gender of people, yet the descriptions assume items can be associated with P21 to include gender of animals. Yeah, I can understand the confusion. :/ - Svavar Kjarrval signature.asc Des