[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T187344: Add language codes for Arabic languages for use in labels, aliases and descriptions to Wikidata

Csisc added a comment. @Aklapper I thank you for your answer. As promised, I discussed with all users about the issue and I presented the outcomes of that discussion in Wikimania 2019 conference. You can find my presentation at

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T187344: Add language codes for Arabic languages for use in labels, aliases and descriptions to Wikidata

Aklapper added a comment. @Csisc: You need to add that information in T187344#3974892 , not here. In T187344#3996726 , @Csisc wrote: > @1339861mzb Done. Let us continue our

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T187344: Add language codes for Arabic languages for use in labels, aliases and descriptions to Wikidata

Bassem added a comment. Said Akl was a Radical Christian who supported the Idea of Radical Christian Militias (you can say the ISIS of the Arab Christians back then) that said Lebanese people were not Arabs, and that they spoke "Lebanese" which was heavily refused by the General Public. Those who

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T187344: Add language codes for Arabic languages for use in labels, aliases and descriptions to Wikidata

1339861mzb added a comment. In T187344#3996447, @Csisc wrote: @Bassem @Ibrahim.ID @1339861mzb As you have seen, there is no political reason behind the proposal. The reason is linguistic. However, if you would like to further discuss with me about that, please keep in mind that phabricator is a

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T187344: Add language codes for Arabic languages for use in labels, aliases and descriptions to Wikidata

1339861mzb added a comment. In T187344#3996447, @Csisc wrote: @Bassem @Ibrahim.ID @1339861mzb As you have seen, there is no political reason behind the proposal. The reason is linguistic. However, if you would like to further discuss with me about that, please keep in mind that phabricator is a

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T187344: Add language codes for Arabic languages for use in labels, aliases and descriptions to Wikidata

Csisc added a comment. @Bassem @Ibrahim.ID @1339861mzb As you have seen, there is no political reason behind the proposal. The reason is linguistic. However, if you would like to further discuss with me about that, please keep in mind that phabricator is a website for Wikimedia technical

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T187344: Add language codes for Arabic languages for use in labels, aliases and descriptions to Wikidata

Csisc added a comment. @Bassem Concerning the intelligibility of Modern Standard Arabic, I did not say that Arab people do not understand Modern Standard Arabic at all. What I said is "Due to the existence of False friends between Modern Standard Arabic and Arabic dialects and due to the existence

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T187344: Add language codes for Arabic languages for use in labels, aliases and descriptions to Wikidata

Csisc added a comment. @Bassem This is an article about Said Akl experience published in the Egyptian newspaper Al Youm Al Saba' in 2017. http://m.youm7.com/story/2017/11/28/تعرف-على-حكاية-اللغة-اللبنانية-التى-اخترعها-سعيد-عقل/3530454TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T187344EMAIL

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T187344: Add language codes for Arabic languages for use in labels, aliases and descriptions to Wikidata

Csisc added a comment. @Bassem You can contact Franck Salameh and discuss this with him. He can give you more details about the Said Akl experience: https://scholar.google.ca/citations?user=c6JYttwJ=en=sra

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T187344: Add language codes for Arabic languages for use in labels, aliases and descriptions to Wikidata

Csisc added a comment. @Bassem You can describe better than me the situation of Lebanese as you are one of its native speakers. However, from what I see, there are still some channels like MTV Lebanon that deals with the efforts of Said Akl and that still use Said Akl's Arabic script writing

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T187344: Add language codes for Arabic languages for use in labels, aliases and descriptions to Wikidata

Bassem added a comment. Not true. I'm Lebanese and these so called "efforts" in Lebanon were done by some Christian militias during the Civil war cause they believed that being "Arab" = being "Muslim". These ideas were abandoned after the civil war ended in 1990 and the only people who kept

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T187344: Add language codes for Arabic languages for use in labels, aliases and descriptions to Wikidata

Csisc added a comment. @1339861 This is not always accurate. Moroccan Arabic is used in Education in Morocco. There are also efforts in this context in Algeria, in Tunisia, and in Lebanon. Furthermore, there are many resources that are written in Arabic dialects/languages since the early 20th

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T187344: Add language codes for Arabic languages for use in labels, aliases and descriptions to Wikidata

1339861mzb added a comment. I totally disagree with that. Arabic dialect are neither used in education system nor in formal daily life transactions starting from simplest birth certificate to the most complex governmental transactions. I see no sense in the employment of dialect in wikidata

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T187344: Add language codes for Arabic languages for use in labels, aliases and descriptions to Wikidata

Csisc added a comment. @Nikerabbit If you need several other information, please write me soon.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T187344EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: CsiscCc: thiemowmde, Arrbee, KartikMistry, Jsahleen, jhsoby,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T187344: Add language codes for Arabic languages for use in labels, aliases and descriptions to Wikidata

Csisc added a comment. @Nikerabbit Geographical areas: apc: Syria, Lebanon ajp: Palestine, Jordan afb: Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, UAE, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar acw: Saudi Arabia ars: Saudi Arabia ayh: Yemen ayn: Yemen acq: Yemen acm: العراقي acy: Cyprus arz: Egypt avl: الرقاوي, الشاوي, or البدوي apd:

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T187344: Add language codes for Arabic languages for use in labels, aliases and descriptions to Wikidata

Csisc added a comment. @Nikerabbit Their script is Arabic script.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T187344EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: CsiscCc: thiemowmde, Arrbee, KartikMistry, Jsahleen, jhsoby, Petar.petkovic, santhosh,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T187344: Add language codes for Arabic languages for use in labels, aliases and descriptions to Wikidata

Nikerabbit added a comment. In T187344#3995616, @Csisc wrote: @Nikerabbit So, I ask if you can add these Arabic languages to ULS. You haven't provided all required information, see T187344#3974892 and if you want me to make a pull request to language-data there will be additional delays as I

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T187344: Add language codes for Arabic languages for use in labels, aliases and descriptions to Wikidata

Csisc added a comment. @Nikerabbit So, I ask if you can add these Arabic languages to ULS.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T187344EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: CsiscCc: thiemowmde, Arrbee, KartikMistry, Jsahleen, jhsoby,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T187344: Add language codes for Arabic languages for use in labels, aliases and descriptions to Wikidata

Nikerabbit added a comment. In T187344#3992975, @Baba_Tabita wrote: Afaik, any language to be added to the ULS has to have a certain proportion of translations done at translatewiki.net That is not correct. ULS (or nowdays language-data where this data is) takes any valid language code. That

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T187344: Add language codes for Arabic languages for use in labels, aliases and descriptions to Wikidata

Csisc added a comment. @Baba_Tabita We will begin working on Tunisian, Algerian, Moroccan and Egyptian as they are already supported by ULS.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T187344EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: CsiscCc:

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T187344: Add language codes for Arabic languages for use in labels, aliases and descriptions to Wikidata

Csisc added a comment. @Baba_Tabita That's clear. I will see what I can do.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T187344EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: CsiscCc: thiemowmde, Arrbee, KartikMistry, Jsahleen, jhsoby, Petar.petkovic,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T187344: Add language codes for Arabic languages for use in labels, aliases and descriptions to Wikidata

Baba_Tabita added a comment. As has been said, for use in labels and descriptions, a language has to be added to the ULS. Afaik, any language to be added to the ULS has to have a certain proportion of translations done at translatewiki.net - see

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T187344: Add language codes for Arabic languages for use in labels, aliases and descriptions to Wikidata

Mbch331 added a comment. In T187344#3984000, @Csisc wrote: @Mbch331 I will not raise the priority again. However, please try to work on it I don't know this part of the code base. So I can't make a patch for this. Second as I mentioned before: there is no approval by the langcom. So there is no

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T187344: Add language codes for Arabic languages for use in labels, aliases and descriptions to Wikidata

Csisc added a comment. @Mbch331 I will not raise the priority again. However, please try to work on itTASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T187344EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: CsiscCc: Arrbee, KartikMistry, Jsahleen, jhsoby,

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T187344: Add language codes for Arabic languages for use in labels, aliases and descriptions to Wikidata

Csisc added a comment. In T187344#3981589, @GerardM wrote: Hoi, I understand how this could work for the dictionary part of Wikidata. I understand how it could work for labels and aliases. Why do you think this will work for descriptions? Thanks, GerardM This is the second part of the

[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T187344: Add language codes for Arabic languages for use in labels, aliases and descriptions to Wikidata

GerardM added a comment. Hoi, I understand how this could work for the dictionary part of Wikidata. I understand how it could work for labels and aliases. Why do you think this will work for descriptions? Thanks, GerardMTASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T187344EMAIL