Re: [Wikidata-l] Monolingual text and old languages

2014-06-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The interface is localised from English at translatewiki.net. Localisation has always been done as part of the requirements for a new project. The ability to localise happens after the language committee indicates that a language is "eligible". There are all kinds of complications with the use

Re: [Wikidata-l] Monolingual text and old languages

2014-06-30 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Am 29.06.2014 16:06, schrieb Gerard Meijssen: > Hoi, > Making languages available for projects is something that is done according to > the Wikimedia language policy. In it there is no say at all for the community. > The reason being that this proved to be very political and consequently very > dis

Re: [Wikidata-l] Monolingual text and old languages

2014-06-29 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The policy has it that a request is to be made. When it proves that labels are not representive of tje language, they will be removed. Yes, special codes can be used but for it to work qualifiers need to be used. Thanks, GerardM Op 29 jun. 2014 23:06 schreef "David Cuenca" : > If we ar

Re: [Wikidata-l] Monolingual text and old languages

2014-06-29 Thread David Cuenca
If we are able to use any ISO-639-3 that should do. It worried me hearing "there will be no 'custom' language", when there are language codes like "mis", "mul", "und", "zxx" that mean more or less "custom". Thanks, Micru On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 10:26 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > The ISO

Re: [Wikidata-l] Monolingual text and old languages

2014-06-29 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The ISO-639-3 has codes for "whatever". We can use a code for "whatever" and qualify it to a tin foiled hat or tin tin or whatever. Thanks, GerardM On 29 June 2014 21:19, David Cuenca wrote: > For instance in "Template:Infobox fictional country" there is a field for > fictional mottos,

Re: [Wikidata-l] Monolingual text and old languages

2014-06-29 Thread David Cuenca
For instance in "Template:Infobox fictional country" there is a field for fictional mottos, like the one for Syldavia, the fictional country that appears in The Adventures of Tintin: Syldavia (Q1751922) "Eih bennek, eih blavek." Syldavian (Q2708019) On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Lydia P

Re: [Wikidata-l] Monolingual text and old languages

2014-06-29 Thread Lydia Pintscher
Hey :) On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 3:08 PM, David Cuenca wrote: > What about constructed or invented languages? A list will work for most > cases but there always will be edge cases and adding them to the list will > be too much. > > "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn." Which langua

Re: [Wikidata-l] Monolingual text and old languages

2014-06-29 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Making languages available for projects is something that is done according to the Wikimedia language policy. In it there is no say at all for the community. The reason being that this proved to be very political and consequently very disruptive. Thanks, GerardM 2014-06-29 15:44 GMT+02

Re: [Wikidata-l] Monolingual text and old languages

2014-06-29 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > You are wrong, Please explain about what and why. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Product Manager for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de W

Re: [Wikidata-l] Monolingual text and old languages

2014-06-29 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 3:37 PM, P. Blissenbach wrote: > Which reminds me that I have long-outstanding requests for additions. > Imho it is just a waste that I cannot enter few more labels where I could. > > A lookup reveals: My wish was archived but not acted upon. > http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/

Re: [Wikidata-l] Monolingual text and old languages

2014-06-29 Thread P. Blissenbach
"Daniel Kinzler" writes > [...] the set of languages > supported by wikidata is a well-defined list, controlled by the configuration > of > the site. It's basically the list of languages MediaWiki supports for the user > interface, plus a few special ones. Adding a language can be done based on >

Re: [Wikidata-l] Monolingual text and old languages

2014-06-29 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, You are wrong, Thanks, GerardM On 29 June 2014 15:01, Daniel Kinzler wrote: > Am 29.06.2014 14:10, schrieb Gerard Meijssen: > > Hoi. > > When a language is dead, it does not mean that it cannot be made > available in > > Wikidata. The language committee has explicitly opened the door

Re: [Wikidata-l] Monolingual text and old languages

2014-06-29 Thread David Cuenca
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Daniel Kinzler wrote: > This is correct. However, there will be no "custom" option: the set of > languages > supported by wikidata is a well-defined list, controlled by the > configuration of > the site. It's basically the list of languages MediaWiki supports for

Re: [Wikidata-l] Monolingual text and old languages

2014-06-29 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Am 29.06.2014 14:10, schrieb Gerard Meijssen: > Hoi. > When a language is dead, it does not mean that it cannot be made available in > Wikidata. The language committee has explicitly opened the door for any and > all > recognised language.. (ie ISO 639-3). This is correct. However, there will be

Re: [Wikidata-l] Monolingual text and old languages

2014-06-29 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi. When a language is dead, it does not mean that it cannot be made available in Wikidata. The language committee has explicitly opened the door for any and all recognised language.. (ie ISO 639-3). There is no need for tricks, Thanks, GerardM On 29 June 2014 11:54, David Cuenca wrote:

[Wikidata-l] Monolingual text and old languages

2014-06-29 Thread David Cuenca
Hi, Will the monolngual text datatype support old languages? There are settlements that had an "official name" in a now dead language. Besides of "no language", will there be an option to mark such names as "custom" and use the qualifier "language (p407)" instead? Thanks, Micru __