Re: [Wikidata-l] Users do understand Wikidata less than before

2014-10-21 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Yes I do. I did explain why. As far as I am concerned abot should remove all redirects. Tjanks, GerardM Op 20 okt. 2014 13:22 schreef James Heald j.he...@ucl.ac.uk: Well actually, we *do* support redirects. One just has to be a bit crafty in how one creates them. Do you have a

Re: [Wikidata-l] Users do understand Wikidata less than before

2014-10-21 Thread Derric Atzrott
Yes I do. I did explain why. As far as I am concerned abot should remove all redirects. I'm not sure anyone in this thread is understanding anyone else. I'm frustrated at this point. We still don't seem to understand where the harm in having them comes from, and you still don't seem to

Re: [Wikidata-l] Users do understand Wikidata less than before

2014-10-20 Thread rupert THURNER
Gerard how do you, within wikidata, properly handle the case where an article is there on enwp, and a paragraph and a redirect to it is there on dewp? Rupert On Oct 18, 2014 1:21 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, As you correctly quote, one of the requirements is an

Re: [Wikidata-l] Users do understand Wikidata less than before

2014-10-20 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, We do not support redirects. We do not support paragraphs.Wikidata is not designed to support either. Thanks, GerardM On 20 October 2014 10:39, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote: Gerard how do you, within wikidata, properly handle the case where an article is there on

Re: [Wikidata-l] Users do understand Wikidata less than before

2014-10-20 Thread James Heald
Well actually, we *do* support redirects. One just has to be a bit crafty in how one creates them. Do you have a problem with that? If so, what is your problem? -- James. On 20/10/2014 11:45, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, We do not support redirects. We do not support paragraphs.Wikidata

Re: [Wikidata-l] Users do understand Wikidata less than before

2014-10-18 Thread John Lewis
On Saturday, 18 October 2014, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: One of the requirements is an article. One of three requirements. Only one has to be true for an item to be notable. Please could you stop taking this out of context making it look like Wikidata requires articles

Re: [Wikidata-l] Users do understand Wikidata less than before

2014-10-18 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, As you correctly quote, one of the requirements is an article. So what is your point ? Thanks, GerardM On 18 October 2014 12:52, John Lewis johnflewi...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, 18 October 2014, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: One of the requirements is an

Re: [Wikidata-l] Users do understand Wikidata less than before

2014-10-16 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 15 October 2014 13:22, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Wikidata is NOT Wikipedia driven so the notion of redirects Perhaps not, but I have just created Q18289539, about thw BBC's new 'Genome' online database: http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/ I have also created:

Re: [Wikidata-l] Users do understand Wikidata less than before

2014-10-14 Thread rupert THURNER
Could you do me a favor please and try to link it out of Wikipedia and then tell how I should have done it? On Oct 13, 2014 6:29 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, This issue was mentioned before. There are two distinct concepts as I recall. One article can only be

Re: [Wikidata-l] Users do understand Wikidata less than before

2014-10-14 Thread Jane Darnell
There are multiple issues with linking the German Wikipedia's afrikanische Pflaume to the French Wikipedia's safou: 1) A tree can only interwikilink to a tree or combined article on the tree + fruit and a fruit can only interwikilink to a fruit or a combined article on the tree + fruit (this is

Re: [Wikidata-l] Users do understand Wikidata less than before

2014-10-14 Thread Smolenski Nikola
Citiranje Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com: 2) There is no way of making an interwikilink for a redirect, and the German Wikipedia's afrikanische Pflaume is currently a redirect to Prunus You should still be able to make an interwiki link for a redirect the old way, are you not?

Re: [Wikidata-l] Users do understand Wikidata less than before

2014-10-14 Thread Jane Darnell
nope On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 6:23 PM, Smolenski Nikola smole...@eunet.rs wrote: Citiranje Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com: 2) There is no way of making an interwikilink for a redirect, and the German Wikipedia's afrikanische Pflaume is currently a redirect to Prunus You should still be

Re: [Wikidata-l] Users do understand Wikidata less than before

2014-10-14 Thread rupert THURNER
French safou should be fruit, because the tree is safoutier. German afrikanische Pflaume is fruit as well. This is a 1:1 match. Prunus contains tens of fruits which do exist as dedicated articles in enwp. If no link can be made to redirects and not to paragraphs this looks like a serious

Re: [Wikidata-l] Users do understand Wikidata less than before

2014-10-13 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Am 12.10.2014 17:02, schrieb Romaine Wiki: Hello Lydia, This is a different problem from the other issue I described in an other mail. I notice two different problems that occur with the same version. One is about the workflow, one is about less experienced/less technical users have

Re: [Wikidata-l] Users do understand Wikidata less than before

2014-10-13 Thread Luca Martinelli
Il 13/ott/2014 14:07 Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de ha scritto: Can you identify which change exactly is the problem, and why it is problematic? +1 I'm sorry, but I edited today Wikidata after a while, and I didn't noticed anything *that* problematic to prevented me to edit. L.

Re: [Wikidata-l] Users do understand Wikidata less than before

2014-10-13 Thread rupert THURNER
On Oct 13, 2014 2:07 PM, Daniel Kinzler daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de wrote: Am 12.10.2014 17:02, schrieb Romaine Wiki: Hello Lydia, This is a different problem from the other issue I described in an other mail. I notice two different problems that occur with the same version. One is about

Re: [Wikidata-l] Users do understand Wikidata less than before

2014-10-13 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, This issue was mentioned before. There are two distinct concepts as I recall. One article can only be linked from one project to only one concept. So in essence you link an item to a Q and not to safou. There have been no changes at all about this from the start of Wikidata. Thanks,

Re: [Wikidata-l] Users do understand Wikidata less than before

2014-10-12 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 4:01 AM, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com wrote: For more than a year I am asking users to add their articles to Wikidata when they have written it. That seems succesful, they added their articles more and more and did understand how to do that. Until recently. Now I

Re: [Wikidata-l] Users do understand Wikidata less than before

2014-10-12 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The complaint that Wikidata serves an in-crowd is something that I feel is correct. It follows from being overly interested in the academic side of things. All the work by the professional developers is for esoteric things and much if not most of the work does not translate into things that

Re: [Wikidata-l] Users do understand Wikidata less than before

2014-10-12 Thread Susanna Ånäs
Hi! I would like to do advocacy for taking advantage of Wikidata to wikimedians, researchers, the public sector and GLAMs (and others), but I lack the tools and methods to do so. Wikimedians: Very few wikimedians in our country participate in the Wikidata community. There is not a local

Re: [Wikidata-l] Users do understand Wikidata less than before

2014-10-12 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Susanna you are completely right. Wikidata is there to serve a purpose. It means that we should work on realising tools that use Wikidata and do a better job at it. I blogged today about awards and how Wikidata can make a difference [1]. It takes not much to realise it but I have all but

Re: [Wikidata-l] Users do understand Wikidata less than before

2014-10-12 Thread Romaine Wiki
Hello Lydia, This is a different problem from the other issue I described in an other mail. I notice two different problems that occur with the same version. One is about the workflow, one is about less experienced/less technical users have difficulties in adding site links. I am happy hearing

Re: [Wikidata-l] Users do understand Wikidata less than before

2014-10-11 Thread Romaine Wiki
The impression I get from experienced users is that they are much annoyed and use now some work around to get things done, but they do not understand it. Less experienced users do not understand it either and also aren't able to add site links any more. Instead they ask experienced users to add it