Re: [Wikidata-l] policy toward using non-CC0 licensed external databases as reference

2014-09-29 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Anthony, 22/09/2014 16:52: In any case, my point was that blatant violation of a TOS is more than just violation of "a private contract". It's at least potentially something much more serious. And on that, it matters quite a bit whether it's one person running an automated process or a group of p

Re: [Wikidata-l] policy toward using non-CC0 licensed external databases as reference

2014-09-23 Thread Andrew Gray
One important thing to remember is that there's no "master database" of ISBNs. The central agency assigns very large blocks (eg 978-0-...), then national agencies assign smaller blocks to publishers (978-0-12-...), who then choose to assign them to books as and when they see fit. The final assigne

Re: [Wikidata-l] policy toward using non-CC0 licensed external databases as reference

2014-09-23 Thread Thomas Douillard
> Maybe you or someone else on here has a suggestion? Sorry, although I'm aware of this laws for a long time, I never understood how this could work. Open Street Map is a precedent though and I'm not aware of any serious problem they had related to copyright. But they seem to be very conservative a

Re: [Wikidata-l] policy toward using non-CC0 licensed external databases as reference

2014-09-22 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 5:52 AM, Thomas Douillard < thomas.douill...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Running an automated process to access someone's computer in a way that > they clearly don't allow is not a good idea. > > European database laws are also really on the fact that a protected > database copy

Re: [Wikidata-l] policy toward using non-CC0 licensed external databases as reference

2014-09-22 Thread Thomas Douillard
> Running an automated process to access someone's computer in a way that they clearly don't allow is not a good idea. European database laws are also really on the fact that a protected database copy is a copy, whatever the copy process is. Does not matter if an automated process took place or if

Re: [Wikidata-l] policy toward using non-CC0 licensed external databases as reference

2014-09-21 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 2:59 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > > Moreover, the Google ToS are very clear in forbidding any activity which > would result in you having a copy of their database/of the data the API > provides access to, IIRC even in form o

Re: [Wikidata-l] policy toward using non-CC0 licensed external databases as reference

2014-09-17 Thread Luis Villa
On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > See also the rather unconclusive > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikilegal/Database_Rights > Talk page for that is a good place to ask questions on this topic if you want LCA opinions (I have an intern working on one question as a

Re: [Wikidata-l] policy toward using non-CC0 licensed external databases as reference

2014-09-14 Thread Scott MacLeod
is a sensible first step in unfoldingly defining "Wikidata-l policy toward using non-CC0 licensed external databases as reference"? Scott Maxime Lathuilière, 08/09/2014 16:41: > Google Books API's Terms of Service > <https://developers.google.com/books/terms> is elusiv

Re: [Wikidata-l] policy toward using non-CC0 licensed external databases as reference

2014-09-13 Thread P. Blissenbach
Regarding purely factual data comprising a less than significant portion of a database - which is certainly true for all ISBNs in Googles database, where records are considerably largen than a single ISBN - there should be no legal problem copying them under German law, regardless of Googles contra

Re: [Wikidata-l] policy toward using non-CC0 licensed external databases as reference

2014-09-13 Thread Markus Krötzsch
On 13.09.2014 21:25, Jeremy Baron wrote: On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 7:23 PM, Denny Vrandečić wrote: I am not a lawyer, but if I remember correctly, copyright covers expression, not content. Since the Wikidata data model and its representation in JSON is rather unique, an ISBN number in a Wikidata

Re: [Wikidata-l] policy toward using non-CC0 licensed external databases as reference

2014-09-13 Thread Jeremy Baron
On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 8:00 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > Jeremy Baron, 13/09/2014 21:25: >>> > Would rewriting a sentence from a book and then entering that sentence in >>> > Wikipedia violate copyright? >> We have some documentation on that. :) >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:

Re: [Wikidata-l] policy toward using non-CC0 licensed external databases as reference

2014-09-13 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Jeremy Baron, 13/09/2014 21:25: >> > Would rewriting a sentence from a book and then entering that sentence in >> > Wikipedia violate copyright? > We have some documentation on that. :) > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Close_paraphrasing I fail to see how this is relevant. We're talkin

Re: [Wikidata-l] policy toward using non-CC0 licensed external databases as reference

2014-09-13 Thread Jeremy Baron
On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 7:23 PM, Denny Vrandečić wrote: > I am not a lawyer, but if I remember correctly, copyright covers expression, > not content. Since the Wikidata data model and its representation in JSON is > rather unique, an ISBN number in a Wikidata statement seems to be novel to > Wikid

[Wikidata-l] policy toward using non-CC0 licensed external databases as reference

2014-09-08 Thread Maxime Lathuilière
Hi! Sorry, I'm quite sure I'm re-opening an issue already discussed but I can't find where; if so, please share the link. I'm working with cultural items data on wikidata and I'm wondering what I'm allowed to do when for instance: - I want to improve the item Q618719