Re: [Wikidata-l] Commons file-topic searching and storage

2014-09-17 Thread Scott MacLeod
Hi Lydia and Wikidatans, My questions about C.C. Wikidata integration / interaction have to do with Creative Commons' entities /resources, as examples of external sister projects. Are there any examples so far of Creative Commons' licensed databases that interact/integrate/interoperate with Wikida

Re: [Wikidata-l] Commons file-topic searching and storage

2014-09-17 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Scott MacLeod wrote: > Hi Lydia and Wikidatans, > > In what ways are Wikidatan developers planning for Creative Commons' > databases for images, etc. - -http://search.creativecommons.org/ - - as well > as for interoperability, - so, beyond WikiCommons' file-topic s

Re: [Wikidata-l] Commons file-topic searching and storage

2014-09-15 Thread Scott MacLeod
Hi Lydia and Wikidatans, In what ways are Wikidatan developers planning for Creative Commons' databases for images, etc. - -http://search.creativecommons.org/ - - as well as for interoperability, - so, beyond WikiCommons' file-topic searching and storage images - especially if these CC databases a

Re: [Wikidata-l] Commons file-topic searching and storage

2014-09-15 Thread Lydia Pintscher
Hey :) Just an update from my side: We will keep non-Commons images in mind when designing the system. The goal is to provide them with structured data support as well. However initially we will concentrate on Commons to get it to work there as we can have the highest impact there. Cheers Lydia

Re: [Wikidata-l] Commons file-topic searching and storage

2014-09-14 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The consequence would be that we cannot deal with these files. We cannot even know what they are about, We cannot target them for replacement by freely licensed files. Having access to them, knowing about them is different from using them. Files with a "fair use" rationale are categorised by

Re: [Wikidata-l] Commons file-topic searching and storage

2014-09-14 Thread Joe Filceolaire
Except that the problem isn't incompatible licenses; its lack of licenses. Most pix uploaded to wikipedias have no license. They are there under fair use rationales which are specific to each use and to the laws which apply in countries using that language. These pix are not free to reuse. Each r

Re: [Wikidata-l] Commons file-topic searching and storage

2014-09-14 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Why would it ? A wiki would have a list of permissible licenses. That has nothing to do with Commons and everything with standardising licenses so that there is only one for each license. Thanks, GerardM On 14 September 2014 17:55, Jan Dudík wrote: > Problem is, when somebody translate

Re: [Wikidata-l] Commons file-topic searching and storage

2014-09-14 Thread Jan Dudík
Problem is, when somebody translate article from en.wiki and copy all images, it will display even if they have "incompatibile licence" - and who will check it? And there would be many problems with some people which will not agree with deleting these images from articles. Soulition would be, if th

Re: [Wikidata-l] Commons file-topic searching and storage

2014-09-14 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Incompatible how ? The fact that some wikis allow for licenses that Commons does not allow for does NOT make them incompatible. It means that they use licenses in addition to Commons.. Technically that is no big deal at all. Thanks, GerardM On 13 September 2014 23:40, P. Blissenbach wro

Re: [Wikidata-l] Commons file-topic searching and storage (was Re: Commons Categories again)

2014-09-14 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, James, you assume a database but in reality it is not "setting an index" at all. In essence this is NOT a relational database. Therefore it is NOT that simplel. Also the Wikidatification is a failure when it does not work for all languages equally well. That is not to say that the results wil

Re: [Wikidata-l] Commons file-topic searching and storage

2014-09-13 Thread James Heald
Yes. Just to be clear, if we did "converge all the images to live in one place", I am not suggesting they would all be free, and I'm not suggesting they would all belong to Commons. Just that they would all physically live in the same integrated structure; but one that would still appear to

Re: [Wikidata-l] Commons file-topic searching and storage

2014-09-13 Thread P. Blissenbach
Just a word of caution about collecting all images in commons. A while ago, at least, some local wikis had images with license terms incompatible with commons and vice versa. I recall very simple logos of companies, and several types of "fair use" derivatives. If that is still so, we have an obsta