Re: [WikiEN-l] MUD history dissolving into the waters of time

2009-01-11 Thread toddmallen
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Philip Sandifer wrote: > > On Jan 11, 2009, at 11:26 PM, toddmallen wrote: >> > >> There is a tremendous difference between "won't accept just anything" >> and "won't accept anything". Pulling up a few blogs doesn't mean >> you're done, and can say "I've got it so

Re: [WikiEN-l] MUD history dissolving into the waters of time

2009-01-11 Thread WJhonson
The source is the magazine. Why would you say there are no source, when you have a magazine as the source? In a message dated 1/11/2009 9:35:32 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, alva...@gmail.com writes: Because they don't exist and I'm saying it's from a magazine. **A Good Cred

Re: [WikiEN-l] MUD history dissolving into the waters of time

2009-01-11 Thread Alvaro García
It's a joke, right? -- Alvaro On 12-01-2009, at 2:37, Philip Sandifer wrote: > Don't you know you have to cite a dictionary each word? > > -Phil > > On Jan 12, 2009, at 12:30 AM, Alvaro García wrote: > >> Because they don't exist and I'm saying it's from a magazine. >> >> >> -- >> Alvaro >> >>

Re: [WikiEN-l] MUD history dissolving into the waters of time

2009-01-11 Thread Alvaro García
My questions are: Who cares how many pages they have deleted? How does it influence the guy visiting his user page? What's so cool about deleting pages? -- Alvaro On 11-01-2009, at 22:56, "David Gerard" wrote: > 2009/1/12 : > >> Well your "querulous and idiotic" is someone else's "attempt

Re: [WikiEN-l] MUD history dissolving into the waters of time

2009-01-11 Thread Philip Sandifer
Don't you know you have to cite a dictionary each word? -Phil On Jan 12, 2009, at 12:30 AM, Alvaro García wrote: > Because they don't exist and I'm saying it's from a magazine. > > > -- > Alvaro > > On 11-01-2009, at 22:34, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: > >> Why exactly would your translation not need

Re: [WikiEN-l] MUD history dissolving into the waters of time

2009-01-11 Thread Alvaro García
Because they don't exist and I'm saying it's from a magazine. -- Alvaro On 11-01-2009, at 22:34, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: > Why exactly would your translation not need sources? > > > > In a message dated 1/11/2009 4:47:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > alva...@gmail.com writes: > > Once I transl

Re: [WikiEN-l] MUD history dissolving into the waters of time

2009-01-11 Thread Philip Sandifer
On Jan 11, 2009, at 11:26 PM, toddmallen wrote: > > There is a tremendous difference between "won't accept just anything" > and "won't accept anything". Pulling up a few blogs doesn't mean > you're done, and can say "I've got it sourced, these horrible people > just won't accept it!" "A few blog

Re: [WikiEN-l] MUD history dissolving into the waters of time

2009-01-11 Thread toddmallen
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 6:56 PM, David Gerard wrote: > 2009/1/12 : > >> Well your "querulous and idiotic" is someone else's "attempt to ensure the >> source is reliable". > > > Well, not really. If they don't believe a given item can have reliable > sources - the sort of rabid nutters who brag ab

Re: [WikiEN-l] MUD history dissolving into the waters of time

2009-01-11 Thread David Gerard
2009/1/12 : > Well your "querulous and idiotic" is someone else's "attempt to ensure the > source is reliable". Well, not really. If they don't believe a given item can have reliable sources - the sort of rabid nutters who brag about deletion tallies on their user pages - then they just won't a

Re: [WikiEN-l] MUD history dissolving into the waters of time

2009-01-11 Thread WJhonson
Well your "querulous and idiotic" is someone else's "attempt to ensure the source is reliable". Will Johnson In a message dated 1/11/2009 5:44:08 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, dger...@gmail.com writes: It depends how querulous and idiotic they're being, and if they can get a couple of th

Re: [WikiEN-l] MUD history dissolving into the waters of time

2009-01-11 Thread David Gerard
2009/1/12 : > Establishing that a source is reliable is up to the person adding it, if > challenged. > Just like all of our content. It depends how querulous and idiotic they're being, and if they can get a couple of their mates to be querulous and idiotic as well. - d. __

Re: [WikiEN-l] MUD history dissolving into the waters of time

2009-01-11 Thread WJhonson
Establishing that a source is reliable is up to the person adding it, if challenged. Just like all of our content. In a message dated 1/11/2009 4:47:51 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, alva...@gmail.com writes: Inform yourself of who the blogger is before making such statements.

Re: [WikiEN-l] MUD history dissolving into the waters of time

2009-01-11 Thread WJhonson
Why exactly would your translation not need sources? In a message dated 1/11/2009 4:47:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, alva...@gmail.com writes: Once I translated like 3 paragraphs of a Roger Waters interview, from Spanish to English, that I read on a magazine and thus didn't need so

Re: [WikiEN-l] To boldy delete what no one had deleted before!

2009-01-11 Thread Alvaro García
But it's very probable that that person clicked the article to actually read it/search it, not raise its quality, which would be in 2nd place, if the person happens to know about the topic. -- Alvaro On 11-01-2009, at 16:22, "Ian Woollard" wrote: > 2009/1/11 Carcharoth : >> That would mess

Re: [WikiEN-l] To boldy delete what no one had deleted before!

2009-01-11 Thread Alvaro García
I don't think this would work properly, sinve don't forget this is an encyclopedia, not a blog, and it is supposed to have the same content from everyone; otherwise it would get pretty messed up. And when you say that only selected articles would appear, you're saying there would be some arti

Re: [WikiEN-l] MUD history dissolving into the waters of time

2009-01-11 Thread Alvaro García
Come on guys, stop with that discussion. The first argument was already invalid. -- Alvaro On 11-01-2009, at 0:40, "Gwern Branwen" wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Ray Saintonge wrote: >> toddmallen wrote: >>> On Sat, Jan 10, 20

Re: [WikiEN-l] MUD history dissolving into the waters of time

2009-01-11 Thread Alvaro García
Inform yourself of who the blogger is before making such statements. -- Alvaro On 10-01-2009, at 15:35, toddmallen wrote: > On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Philip Sandifer > wrote: >> The explosion of comments from outright reliable sources (Raph Koster >> and Richard Bartle, even when blog

Re: [WikiEN-l] MUD history dissolving into the waters of time

2009-01-11 Thread Alvaro García
Well, there are many articles and statements that can't or don't need to be verified. Once I translated like 3 paragraphs of a Roger Waters interview, from Spanish to English, that I read on a magazine and thus didn't need sources nor they could be put. Two days later, my substantial contri

Re: [WikiEN-l] MUD history dissolving into the waters of time

2009-01-11 Thread Noah Salzman
On Jan 10, 2009, at 1:59 PM, David Goodman wrote: > The long term solution for this particular topic is for people to > start writing books about MUDs. One or two books by reputable > publishers with a chapter on that MUD would have made deletion > impossible. One or two anytime in the future w

Re: [WikiEN-l] To boldy delete what no one had deleted before!

2009-01-11 Thread Carcharoth
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Ian Woollard wrote: > 2009/1/11 Carcharoth : >> On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Ian Woollard wrote: >>> 2009/1/11 Carcharoth : That would mess up linking between articles. >>> >>> No, it would create red links, which would help people find the >>> sub-par a

Re: [WikiEN-l] To boldy delete what no one had deleted before!

2009-01-11 Thread Ian Woollard
2009/1/11 Carcharoth : > On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Ian Woollard wrote: >> 2009/1/11 Carcharoth : >>> That would mess up linking between articles. >> >> No, it would create red links, which would help people find the >> sub-par article and encourage them to improve it. >> >> Red links are us

Re: [WikiEN-l] To boldy delete what no one had deleted before!

2009-01-11 Thread Carcharoth
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Ian Woollard wrote: > 2009/1/11 Carcharoth : >> That would mess up linking between articles. > > No, it would create red links, which would help people find the > sub-par article and encourage them to improve it. > > Red links are usually considered to be broadly p

Re: [WikiEN-l] To boldy delete what no one had deleted before!

2009-01-11 Thread Ian Woollard
2009/1/11 Carcharoth : > That would mess up linking between articles. No, it would create red links, which would help people find the sub-par article and encourage them to improve it. Red links are usually considered to be broadly positive. > Carcharoth -- -Ian Woollard We live in an imperfec

Re: [WikiEN-l] MUD history dissolving into the waters of time

2009-01-11 Thread toddmallen
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 3:27 AM, George Herbert wrote: > On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 1:59 PM, David Goodman wrote: > >> The long term solution for this particular topic is for people to >> start writing books about MUDs. One or two books by reputable >> publishers with a chapter on that MUD would h

Re: [WikiEN-l] To boldy delete what no one had deleted before!

2009-01-11 Thread Carcharoth
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Ian Woollard wrote: > Slashdot has an interesting thing where they have ratings for > postings, with different categories. They then permit you to consider > certain categories to be more or less important to you (e.g. funny > postings may be raised up in the ra

Re: [WikiEN-l] To boldy delete what no one had deleted before!

2009-01-11 Thread Ian Woollard
On 11/01/2009, White Cat wrote: > Even so there exits people who mass remove (redirectify/merge/delete - take > your pick) content. Mass creation isn't that big of a deal. Junk can always > be dealt with. Junk has never been a serious issue as the definition of junk > has been rock solid all along

Re: [WikiEN-l] To boldy delete what no one had deleted before!

2009-01-11 Thread White Cat
Even so there exits people who mass remove (redirectify/merge/delete - take your pick) content. Mass creation isn't that big of a deal. Junk can always be dealt with. Junk has never been a serious issue as the definition of junk has been rock solid all along. A problem has emerged when people decid

Re: [WikiEN-l] MUD history dissolving into the waters of time

2009-01-11 Thread George Herbert
On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 1:59 PM, David Goodman wrote: > The long term solution for this particular topic is for people to > start writing books about MUDs. One or two books by reputable > publishers with a chapter on that MUD would have made deletion > impossible. One or two anytime in the fut