Re: [WikiEN-l] What is an orphan?

2009-02-07 Thread Charlotte Webb
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 3:24 AM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: But in my view calling an article with two respectable incoming links an orphan is quite misleading. I think the word is used subjectively for any article deemed to need more incoming links because the

Re: [WikiEN-l] What is an orphan?

2009-02-07 Thread Alvaro García
I'm curious, is that your name? -- Alvaro On 07-02-2009, at 10:08, Charlotte Webb charlottethew...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 3:24 AM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: But in my view calling an article with two respectable incoming links an orphan

[WikiEN-l] Spoiler-driven plots on movies articles

2009-02-07 Thread Alvaro García
Hey, I have a question: Every time I go to a movie page to know how it is, I read the Plot section. However, I have realised that 95% of them write about key twists or scenes and they even tell the ending. I have thought of editing some of them, but I thought I'd rather ask here first. Are

Re: [WikiEN-l] Spoiler-driven plots on movies articles

2009-02-07 Thread Al Tally
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Alvaro García alva...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, I have a question: Every time I go to a movie page to know how it is, I read the Plot section. However, I have realised that 95% of them write about key twists or scenes and they even tell the ending. I have thought

Re: [WikiEN-l] Spoiler-driven plots on movies articles

2009-02-07 Thread K. Peachey
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Alvaro García alva...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, I have a question: Every time I go to a movie page to know how it is, I read the Plot section. However, I have realised that 95% of them write about key twists or scenes and they even tell the ending. I have thought

Re: [WikiEN-l] Spoiler-driven plots on movies articles

2009-02-07 Thread Al Tally
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Alvaro García alva...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not saying I'd rather have a one-line plot, I'm just saying that spoilers aren't that necessary. You go to the article to see if you go watch the movie, not to read it because you didn't get the chance to watch it.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Spoiler-driven plots on movies articles

2009-02-07 Thread Gwern Branwen
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Alvaro García alva...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not saying I'd rather have a one-line plot, I'm just saying that spoilers aren't that necessary. You go to the article to see if you go watch the movie, not to read it because you didn't get the chance to watch it.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Spoiler-driven plots on movies articles

2009-02-07 Thread David Goodman
We are not a movie guide, but an encyclopedia. There are a great many reasons why people might want to read an encyclopedia article about a movie. Very high among them is to find out about the movies one hasn't seen and never will. If you want a movie guide to read up on whether you want to go

Re: [WikiEN-l] Spoiler-driven plots on movies articles

2009-02-07 Thread Alvaro García
Wow man SORRY. I'm not arrogant, I'm just asking something! Man, I'd never think everyone would be against me and insult me for a simple question! -- Alvaro On 07-02-2009, at 12:38, Gwern Branwen gwe...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Alvaro García alva...@gmail.com w

Re: [WikiEN-l] Spoiler-driven plots on movies articles

2009-02-07 Thread Casey Brown
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Alvaro García alva...@gmail.com wrote: Wow man SORRY. I'm not arrogant, I'm just asking something! Man, I'd never think everyone would be against me and insult me for a simple question! I suggest you do what I do: only read the first paragraph. ;-) When a

Re: [WikiEN-l] Spoiler-driven plots on movies articles

2009-02-07 Thread Nathan
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Alvaro García alva...@gmail.com wrote: Wow man SORRY. I'm not arrogant, I'm just asking something! Man, I'd never think everyone would be against me and insult me for a simple question! The argument over spoilers on Wikipedia is commonly referred to as the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Spoiler-driven plots on movies articles

2009-02-07 Thread Alvaro García
-- Alvaro On 07-02-2009, at 12:58, Casey Brown cbrown1023...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Alvaro García alva...@gmail.com w rote: Wow man SORRY. I'm not arrogant, I'm just asking something! Man, I'd never think everyone would be against me and insult me for a

Re: [WikiEN-l] What is an orphan?

2009-02-07 Thread Charlotte Webb
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: I certainly think there should be one than one template addressing this issue, and preferably a one or two links template that only adds a category. Don't need multiple templates necessarily. Just

Re: [WikiEN-l] Spoiler-driven plots on movies articles

2009-02-07 Thread WJhonson
That's why *you* do it. It's not why *I* do it. Sometimes years after I've seen a movie, I can't quite recall how it ended, and I'd like to know that without needing to watch it again. In a message dated 2/7/2009 7:35:00 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, alva...@gmail.com writes: I'm not

Re: [WikiEN-l] What is an orphan?

2009-02-07 Thread Sage Ross
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Charlotte Webb charlottethew...@gmail.com wrote: But even though you'll find disagreement about how many links are enough for a certain article. Five is right out. After a couple hundred you'll find people fighting the other way with their auto-delinking

Re: [WikiEN-l] Spoiler-driven plots on movies articles

2009-02-07 Thread Charlotte Webb
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 1:09 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: That's why *you* do it. It's not why *I* do it. Sometimes years after I've seen a movie, I can't quite recall how it ended, and I'd like to know that without needing to watch it again. Oh there will always be titles you can't find

Re: [WikiEN-l] Spoiler-driven plots on movies articles

2009-02-07 Thread Steve Summit
Nathan wrote: On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Alvaro Garcia alva...@gmail.com wrote: Man, I'd never think everyone would be against me and insult me for a simple question! The argument over spoilers on Wikipedia is commonly referred to as the spoiler wars - drawn out, contentious, with a

[WikiEN-l] Flagged revisions in The Sunday Times

2009-02-07 Thread Sam Blacketer
http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/the_web/article5682896.ece Slightly confused article headed The wiki-snobs are taking over by Giles Hattersley. Misnames 'administrators' as 'arbitrators'. Towards the end the author claims My entry features at least two errors, one

Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged revisions in The Sunday Times

2009-02-07 Thread Alvaro García
Well maybe it said so here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Hattersley On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 20:27, Sam Blacketer sam.blacke...@googlemail.comwrote: http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/the_web/article5682896.ece Slightly confused article headed The wiki-snobs are

Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged revisions in The Sunday Times

2009-02-07 Thread Phil Nash
Alvaro García wrote: Well maybe it said so here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Hattersley Well no, he says my entry, and a quick look at Roy Hattersley (which has fewer than 500 edits), shows nothing in the edit summaries for son, Giles, mistake or error. While this may not cover all, the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged revisions in The Sunday Times

2009-02-07 Thread Alvaro García
Oh, I see. On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 21:31, Phil Nash pn007a2...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Alvaro García wrote: Well maybe it said so here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Hattersley Well no, he says my entry, and a quick look at Roy Hattersley (which has fewer than 500 edits), shows

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia, the overly standarised Encyclopedia you wouldn't dare edit

2009-02-07 Thread White Cat
We could start a wikiproject to enforce how people need to get kicked out of the project space. /sarcasm On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 8:12 AM, Brian br...@bhaws.com wrote: For whatever it's worth, Wikipedia has become a complex and byzantine bureaucracy...it's a maze of process and rules and editors

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia, the overly standarised Encyclopedia you wouldn't dare edit

2009-02-07 Thread Carcharoth
Trouble with that is that the vast majority of readers do not have accounts with user preferences to set. They are unregistered readers (some people create accounts purely to be able to set these preferences). What unregistered readers see is a mish-mash of different date formats, sometimes in the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia, the overly standarised Encyclopedia you wouldn't dare edit

2009-02-07 Thread White Cat
I know all that. But thats really a minor software issue. We could for example allow IP's to set such preferences. Or display a default dating format based on the IP. If the IP is from the US, display the US dating format, else display international standard. It could be as simple as putting a

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia, the overly standarised Encyclopedia you wouldn't dare edit

2009-02-07 Thread K. Peachey
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 12:17 PM, White Cat wikipedia.kawaii.n...@gmail.com wrote: I know all that. But thats really a minor software issue. We could for example allow IP's to set such preferences. Or display a default dating format based on the IP. If the IP is from the US, display the US

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia, the overly standarised Encyclopedia you wouldn't dare edit

2009-02-07 Thread Ian Woollard
On 08/02/2009, White Cat wikipedia.kawaii.n...@gmail.com wrote: I know all that. But thats really a minor software issue. We could for example allow IP's to set such preferences. Or display a default dating format based on the IP. If the IP is from the US, display the US dating format, else