Re: [WikiEN-l] Lies, damned lies, and statistics

2009-04-17 Thread Magnus Manske
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 8:24 PM, David Gerard wrote: > 2009/4/17  : > >> Wikipedia is like moving into a city where all the inhabitants are helping >> to build all of the buildings, and you have some organized and disorganized >> crime elements like in any city. >> Knol is like living on the vast

Re: [WikiEN-l] Rod Liddle, Spectator, on his Wikipedia article

2009-04-17 Thread Giacomo M-Z
Anything I can do to help, please just let me know. Giano. On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:04 PM, Andrew Gray wrote: > 2009/4/16 Nathan : > > > I had a brief flip through the history and didn't see anything like that. > > Looks like there are a few editors who keep a close eye on the page, so > it >

Re: [WikiEN-l] Lies, damned lies, and statistics

2009-04-17 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 4/17/2009 12:24:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dger...@gmail.com writes: > So Citizendium is Milton Keynes?>> Hmmm Citizendium.. I'm thinking somewhere between self-appointed snobs like the Blue Book or Social Register crowd (now since defunct evidently), or else a University

Re: [WikiEN-l] Lies, damned lies, and statistics

2009-04-17 Thread David Gerard
2009/4/17 : > Wikipedia is like moving into a city where all the inhabitants are helping > to build all of the buildings, and you have some organized and disorganized > crime elements like in any city. > Knol is like living on the vast prairies, where you rarely encounter your > neighbors, but yo

Re: [WikiEN-l] Lies, damned lies, and statistics

2009-04-17 Thread WJhonson
It's is funny that you mentioned the Wild West (etc), as I was just thinking yesterday of a new way to describe the difference between Wikipedia and Knol. Wikipedia is like moving into a city where all the inhabitants are helping to build all of the buildings, and you have some organized and d

Re: [WikiEN-l] Lies, damned lies, and statistics

2009-04-17 Thread Durova
My grandmother's favorite joke was about the Lone Ranger and Tonto. Riding through the wilderness they got surrounded by a hostile indigenous tribe. The Lone Ranger turned to his companion. "We're really in trouble." Tonto replied, "We?" There's a useful feature on the left edge of the page cal

Re: [WikiEN-l] Lies, damned lies, and statistics

2009-04-17 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 4/17/2009 11:35:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com writes: > Sanger's outlook could be characterized as a belief that the way to > achieve > quality is to pursue it. Wikipedia has gotten where it is by allowing > quality to overrun it.>>

Re: [WikiEN-l] Lies, damned lies, and statistics

2009-04-17 Thread Durova
Sanger's claim of cofoundership is implicitly a claim of credit for Wikipedia's success. The idea of applying a wiki editing environment outside the sphere of software development was a radical one and a powerful one, but as anyone who has worked on other wikis knows that concept alone is no guara

Re: [WikiEN-l] Lies, damned lies, and statistics

2009-04-17 Thread Charles Matthews
Durova wrote: > In the long run--ten and thirty years from now--the merit of Sanger's claim > to coufoundership of Wikipedia is likely to be measured by the success of > Citizendium. > A bit like Einstein, then: his claim to have founded quantum theory (about which he was a skeptic, and in fact

Re: [WikiEN-l] Rod Liddle, Spectator, on his Wikipedia article

2009-04-17 Thread Charles Matthews
David Gerard wrote: > 2009/4/17 Charles Matthews : > > >> Basically we should (if anything) ask someone to write a polite letter >> to the editor of the Spectator, pointing out a few things: >> > > > /me hands job to Charles, to write as a long-term editor and administrator > Ooops, how

Re: [WikiEN-l] Lies, damned lies, and statistics

2009-04-17 Thread Durova
In the long run--ten and thirty years from now--the merit of Sanger's claim to coufoundership of Wikipedia is likely to be measured by the success of Citizendium. On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen < cimonav...@gmail.com> wrote: > Ken Arromdee wrote: > >>> He obviously is cla

Re: [WikiEN-l] Historian teaching with Wikipedia

2009-04-17 Thread Stephen Bain
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 8:03 AM, David Gerard wrote: > > Our problem comes from people who can't work well with *lots* of > others - but that's hardly restricted to experts. Adjusting to Wikipedia's peculiar methodology is another aspect of it (and one that feeds into collaboration issues). The g

Re: [WikiEN-l] Rod Liddle, Spectator, on his Wikipedia article

2009-04-17 Thread David Gerard
2009/4/17 Charles Matthews : > Basically we should (if anything) ask someone to write a polite letter > to the editor of the Spectator, pointing out a few things: /me hands job to Charles, to write as a long-term editor and administrator - d. ___ Wi

Re: [WikiEN-l] Rod Liddle, Spectator, on his Wikipedia article

2009-04-17 Thread Charles Matthews
Oldak Quill wrote: > We should determine if that Spectator article contains untruths > and, if it does, we should ensure that a retraction is issued. > Basically we should (if anything) ask someone to write a polite letter to the editor of the Spectator, pointing out a few things: Sir, - it

Re: [WikiEN-l] Historian teaching with Wikipedia

2009-04-17 Thread Charles Matthews
Marc Riddell wrote: >> Marc Riddell wrote: >> >>> on 4/16/09 3:44 PM, David Gerard at dger...@gmail.com wrote: >>> Academics learning how to massively collaborate effectively. >>> We have been collaborating very effectively for a very long time. The >>> results are th

Re: [WikiEN-l] Rod Liddle, Spectator, on his Wikipedia article

2009-04-17 Thread Andrew Gray
2009/4/17 Oldak Quill : > I'm not sure why we're discussing legal options. Even if there were > legal avenues open to us, it would be silly to pursue them. I endorse this comment entirely. It seems a little surreal to read some of the discussion in this thread, which whilst no doubt interesting f

Re: [WikiEN-l] "Professor Wikipedia"

2009-04-17 Thread Jay Litwyn
I was just indicating that video is a bit boring in [[professor kitzel]], because only the professor is animated, and that is a necessity in distant history--a lot of stills on paintings while a historian reads. They *should* be remixed with classical music on one side while the historian reads

Re: [WikiEN-l] "Professor Wikipedia"

2009-04-17 Thread Jay Litwyn
wrote a null message in this thread: news:ftbaaynz78c9agmq5quyaxe124vaj_fire...@mail.gmail.com I nominate [[professor kitzel]]. I saw them all, and I would swear they are longer than five minutes. They say time flies when you're having fun. It's a total mystery. Maybe my ten year old brain exp