Re: [WikiEN-l] Knol - Our first major scandel

2009-04-26 Thread geni
2009/4/26 wjhon...@aol.com: I, along with seven other co-authors, write an article on say Cheese Whiz. In the article we state that anyone may copy the article, provided that they state where they got it from, and that the article may be copied by anyone else provided that they state

[WikiEN-l] Wikipedia Art incident

2009-04-26 Thread Ken Arromdee
From the Foundation-L post: we sent a letter to Wikipedia Art that was aimed, not to threaten legal action, but to outline what our legal concerns were, and to try to begin a negotiation to resolve the matter amicably -- ideally by switching the domain name over to us, but not by requiring any

Re: [WikiEN-l] Knol - Our first major scandel

2009-04-26 Thread Ray Saintonge
geni wrote: 2009/4/26 wjhon...@aol.com: I, along with seven other co-authors, write an article on say Cheese Whiz. In the article we state that anyone may copy the article, provided that they state where they got it from, and that the article may be copied by anyone else provided

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia Art incident

2009-04-26 Thread Fred Bauder
This is disingenuous. A letter sent by a law firm to outline our legal concerns which uses legal language and tells a site that they will settle matters amicably if they meet a demand is a legal threat. It may not actually include the words or we will sue you, but trying to spin it as not

Re: [WikiEN-l] Knol - Our first major scandel

2009-04-26 Thread Ray Saintonge
Thomas Dalton wrote: 2009/4/25 Ray Saintonge: Thomas Dalton wrote: 2009/4/25 wjhon...@aol.com: When there is no repurcussion, people will do what they will ;) Does the WF want to start sending cease-and-desist letters based on mirrors not displaying the license link?

[WikiEN-l] Politician praises Wikipedia

2009-04-26 Thread James Farrar
Well, in relative terms, anyway: http://www.conservatives.com/News/Speeches/2009/04/The_age_of_austerity_speech_to_the_2009_Spring_Forum.aspx http://tinyurl.com/dxdujw Our government spends nearly £400 million a year on advertising to reach sixty million people while Wikipedia, one of the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Politician praises Wikipedia

2009-04-26 Thread Angela Anuszewski
I guess that's the difference of someone actually wanting your content or not... Angela On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 2:45 PM, James Farrar james.far...@gmail.comwrote: Well, in relative terms, anyway:

Re: [WikiEN-l] Politician praises Wikipedia

2009-04-26 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/4/26 James Farrar james.far...@gmail.com: Well, in relative terms, anyway: http://www.conservatives.com/News/Speeches/2009/04/The_age_of_austerity_speech_to_the_2009_Spring_Forum.aspx http://tinyurl.com/dxdujw Our government spends nearly £400 million a year on advertising to reach

Re: [WikiEN-l] Politician praises Wikipedia

2009-04-26 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/4/26 Angela Anuszewski angela.anuszew...@gmail.com: I guess that's the difference of someone actually wanting your content or not... Indeed. There is a big difference between advertising and providing content. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list

Re: [WikiEN-l] Politician praises Wikipedia

2009-04-26 Thread Sam Korn
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 7:45 PM, James Farrar james.far...@gmail.com wrote: Well, in relative terms, anyway: http://www.conservatives.com/News/Speeches/2009/04/The_age_of_austerity_speech_to_the_2009_Spring_Forum.aspx http://tinyurl.com/dxdujw Our government spends nearly £400 million a

Re: [WikiEN-l] Knol - Our first major scandel

2009-04-26 Thread Ray Saintonge
Thomas Dalton wrote: 2009/4/25 wjhon...@aol.com: In the long run, it my opinion, that no one is actually going to care how the content is used with or without the license, enough, to actually hire a lawyer. Of course someone could *mention* to those who take the content that they should

Re: [WikiEN-l] Politician praises Wikipedia

2009-04-26 Thread Sam Blacketer
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Sam Korn smo...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 7:45 PM, James Farrar james.far...@gmail.com wrote: Well, in relative terms, anyway: http://www.conservatives.com/News/Speeches/2009/04/The_age_of_austerity_speech_to_the_2009_Spring_Forum.aspx

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia Art incident

2009-04-26 Thread Ray Saintonge
Fred Bauder wrote: This is disingenuous. A letter sent by a law firm to outline our legal concerns which uses legal language and tells a site that they will settle matters amicably if they meet a demand is a legal threat. It may not actually include the words or we will sue you, but trying

Re: [WikiEN-l] Paul Graham on credentialism

2009-04-26 Thread Ray Saintonge
David Gerard wrote: 2009/4/25 Charles Matthews Which rather ducks the point that where you go to graduate school would still matter enormously. Why _are_ people hired in the basis of MBAs? I have a friend who's discovering that MBA is the degree after Ph.D if you don't want to be an

Re: [WikiEN-l] Knol - Our first major scandel

2009-04-26 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/4/26 Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net: Of course WP:OWN is not about legal ownership.  The two approaches remain irreconcilable, and if I were a defendant in such a case I would not hesitate to raise WP:OWN in evidence, making the point that it nevertheless taints legal ownership.  The

Re: [WikiEN-l] Knol - Our first major scandel

2009-04-26 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/4/26 Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net: The matters of principle in the Jacobsen v. Katzer appear to have been decided for the moment, but the denial of a preliminary injunction suggests that the practicalities are far from clear.  While it's true enough that someone may have standing to

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia Art incident

2009-04-26 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Sun, 26 Apr 2009, Fred Bauder wrote: This is disingenuous. A letter sent by a law firm to outline our legal concerns which uses legal language and tells a site that they will settle matters amicably if they meet a demand is a legal threat. It may not actually include the words or

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia Art incident

2009-04-26 Thread WJhonson
If I create a piece of art using Coca-Cola bottles and call it Coca-Cola Art am I infringing on a trademark? Or am I describing my art piece accurately? Will Johnson ** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia Art incident

2009-04-26 Thread Daniel R. Tobias
On 26 Apr 2009 at 09:24:54 -0700 (PDT), Ken Arromdee wrote: From the Foundation-L post: we sent a letter to Wikipedia Art that was aimed, not to threaten legal action, but to outline what our legal concerns were, and to try to begin a negotiation to resolve the matter amicably -- ideally

Re: [WikiEN-l] Knol - Our first major scandel

2009-04-26 Thread Ray Saintonge
Thomas Dalton wrote: 2009/4/26 Ray Saintonge: The matters of principle in the Jacobsen v. Katzer appear to have been decided for the moment, but the denial of a preliminary injunction suggests that the practicalities are far from clear. While it's true enough that someone may have

Re: [WikiEN-l] Knol - Our first major scandel

2009-04-26 Thread Ray Saintonge
Thomas Dalton wrote: 2009/4/26 Ray Saintonge: Of course WP:OWN is not about legal ownership. The two approaches remain irreconcilable, and if I were a defendant in such a case I would not hesitate to raise WP:OWN in evidence, making the point that it nevertheless taints legal ownership.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia Art dispute pits artists against Wikimedia Foundation

2009-04-26 Thread FT2
Of course the /real/ irony is that it now most definitely has significant comment in multiple independent reliable sources.. (Against that, 'famous for stirring up a matter to become famous' isn't exacltly what WP:N is about. Lasting fame by (essentially) trying to use WP:N norms

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia Art dispute pits artists against Wikimedia Foundation

2009-04-26 Thread FT2
Or even this as a comment on the AFD: Indeterminate. If kept, it is surely non notable and should be deleted. However if consensus tries to agree deletion this will surely be commented on by reliable sources and of significant interest and indicate to the closing admin that (CRYSTAL aside) it

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia Art dispute pits artists against Wikimedia Foundation

2009-04-26 Thread FT2
On 4/27/09, FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote: Of course the /real/ irony is that it now most definitely has significant comment in multiple independent reliable sources.. (Against that, 'famous for stirring up a matter to become famous' isn't exacltly what WP:N is about. Lasting

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia Art incident

2009-04-26 Thread Michel Vuijlsteke
2009/4/27 Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wjhon...@aol.com wrote: If I create a piece of art using Coca-Cola bottles and call it Coca-Cola Art am I infringing on a trademark? Or am I describing my art piece accurately? Was Andy Warhol ever sued for his Campbell Soup cans? I think

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia Art dispute pits artists against Wikimedia Foundation

2009-04-26 Thread FT2
On 4/25/09, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/4/25 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com: 2009/4/25 Keith Old keith...@gmail.com: Ars Technica reports: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/04/wikipedia-suit-could-put-it-on-the-wrong-side-of-fair-use.ars As mentioned in the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia Art dispute pits artists against Wikimedia Foundation

2009-04-26 Thread Ken Arromdee
Misuse doesnt get celebrated, no matter the nobility of its motive in the performance art world, by simply creating drama in its wake. Too abusable if so. (Article creation on a vandal if they manage to vandalize wp enough to get media comment, anyone?) That sounds very much like

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia Art incident

2009-04-26 Thread WJhonson
The point isn't whether you take a picture of a Campbell's soup can and call it Soup Five. The point is can you call it Campbell Soup Art The name you give it, is the point. Not what the subject matter is. Will Johnson ** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just