AGK wrote:
I would echo my suggestion (with the exception of bickering ;-))
that a proactive approach is needed to break what seems to be the
intractability of this disagreement. Assessing whether this proposal
is successful (i.e., whether it becomes a useful tool) would be most
Thomas Dalton wrote:
2009/6/27 stevertigo stv...@gmail.com:
On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Thomas Dalton
thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/6/27 stevertigo stv...@gmail.com:
Hm. Well, as for myself, I was striving for unanimity.
You won't get it. Dispute
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Fred Bauderfredb...@fairpoint.net
wrote:
snip
However Wikipedia:Articles about ongoing enterprises failed to reach
consensus.
Wouldn't it have been simpler to include a paragraph in BLP (though
that is rather big now)?
Carcharoth
What I did, and I
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009, Fred Bauder wrote:
The arbitration committee has held that the principles of Biographies of
living persons apply to organizations:
I thought that arbcom doesn't make policy, so its decision only applies to that
particular case.
Also, the way that ongoing enterprises page is written, it doesn't seem
to
be very meaningful for anything other than a company. For instance, an
article about a city might be edited by a resident of the city, who isn't
an
employee or agent (and in general has a weaker conflict of interest,
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Fred Bauderfredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:
snip
An example of the sort of thing we might discuss on a dispute resolution
mailing list.
Why not discuss on this list?
Carcharoth
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2009/6/28 Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com:
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Fred Bauderfredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:
snip
An example of the sort of thing we might discuss on a dispute resolution
mailing list.
Why not discuss on this list?
I agree. This list, or the village pump,
2009/6/28 Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com:
Needs saying that dispute resolution is an ambiguous term. What it
means in an RfC is not what it means in Arbitration. What it means in an
edit war is an iterative process by which troublesome points get ironed
out. What it means in
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/6/28 stevertigo stv...@gmail.com:
Note: Why not make it a general dres-l and let all language wikis
submit?
Because multi-lingual mailing lists don't work. I don't want my inbox
full of emails written in
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
[Gossip] - We talk about whatever people start threads on. If you have
other
discussion topics within the scope of the mailing list (like this one,
for example), then start threads for them.
[Bonk] - That's
2009/6/28 stevertigo stv...@gmail.com:
Because this is not a dispute resolution mailing list, as it once was. The
dispute resolution mailing lists - are now closed-source.
I've been on this list for years, I don't remember it ever being a DR list.
2009/6/28 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com:
2009/6/28 stevertigo stv...@gmail.com:
Because this is not a dispute resolution mailing list, as it once was. The
dispute resolution mailing lists - are now closed-source.
I've been on this list for years, I don't remember it ever being a DR
2009/6/28 stevertigo stv...@gmail.com:
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Thomas Dalton
thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/6/28 stevertigo stv...@gmail.com:
Note: Why not make it a general dres-l and let all language wikis
submit?
Because multi-lingual mailing lists don't work. I don't
David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
It used to be a place to send unblock requests. These then went to
unblock-en-l, which is now all but moribund.
Well, there you go.
Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
wikipedia-l is pretty much dormant. I haven't counted, but I'd guess
it
stevertigo wrote:
Hm. I guess I may have been going all the way back to 2003-5. The days when
Jimbo sorted everything out and blasted everyone with wikilove.
Right. The old days, where there was some chance of coming up with right
answers by kicking ideas around. Before we actually
2009/6/28 stevertigo stv...@gmail.com:
Ah, but you aren't abusing logic by ignoring the fact that each language has
its own list anyway are you? My point dealt with the historical usage of
wikipedia-l as the *only mailing list, and by
default/convention/necessity/genius was an international
On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Emily Monroe bluecalioc...@me.com wrote:
Just to add my voice in the conversation...
We usually employ the idiom two cents, but you are right - voice [to] the
conversation is formal and probably translates quite well. Adding my two
rupees.. probably doesn't
Emily Monroe bluecalioc...@me.com wrote:
Too much can happen.
Stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote:
Ah. But could you please clarify what specifically you mean by the terms
too much
and can happen?
Note: For some reason, in my previous post, Emilys statement above was shown
unthreaded in the
2009/6/28 stevertigo stv...@gmail.com:
Because this is not a dispute resolution mailing list, as it once was.
The
dispute resolution mailing lists - are now closed-source.
I've been on this list for years, I don't remember it ever being a DR
list.
It is a general purpose list to discuss
stevertigo wrote:
Hm. I guess I may have been going all the way back to 2003-5. The days
when
Jimbo sorted everything out and blasted everyone with wikilove.
Right. The old days, where there was some chance of coming up with right
answers by kicking ideas around. Before we actually
2009/6/28 stevertigo stv...@gmail.com:
Ah, but you aren't abusing logic by ignoring the fact that each
language has
its own list anyway are you? My point dealt with the historical usage
of
wikipedia-l as the *only mailing list, and by
default/convention/necessity/genius was an international
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.netwrote:
It used to be a place to send unblock requests. These then went to
unblock-en-l, which is now all but moribund.
- d.
Not really, I've been attending to it and have either unblocked or
created accounts for about
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/6/28 stevertigo stv...@gmail.com:
Ah, but you aren't abusing logic by ignoring the fact that each language
has
its own list anyway are you? My point dealt with the historical usage of
wikipedia-l as the
2009/6/28 stevertigo stv...@gmail.com:
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Thomas Dalton
thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/6/28 stevertigo stv...@gmail.com:
Ah, but you aren't abusing logic by ignoring the fact that each language
has
its own list anyway are you? My point dealt with the
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
No
So what was your point?
Erm, I was answering.. your question.
-Stevertigo
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On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 12:13 PM, stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote:
Interesting point, but in reality we just use the terms informal,
idiomatic or colloquial (language/speech) to deal with expressions that
are not formal, and thus more direct.
Correction: ..not formal or direct.
2009/6/28 stevertigo stv...@gmail.com:
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Thomas Dalton
thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
No
So what was your point?
Erm, I was answering.. your question.
No, before that. You mentioned wikipedia-l in reference to
multilingual lists being a success but
In a message dated 6/28/2009 8:35:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
fredb...@fairpoint.net writes:
Please finish the job, if you can. Clearly, business, organizations, and
towns can also suffer both embarrassment and damages from libel and
unfounded negative information.
Hold on. You said
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
No, before that. You mentioned wikipedia-l in reference to
multilingual lists being a success but wikipedia-l is neither
multilingual nor a success, so I fail to see your point.
You definition of success is
2009/6/28 stevertigo stv...@gmail.com:
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Thomas Dalton
thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
No, before that. You mentioned wikipedia-l in reference to
multilingual lists being a success but wikipedia-l is neither
multilingual nor a success, so I fail to see your
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 8:13 PM, stevertigostv...@gmail.com wrote:
snip
Good point, Emily. Ironically enough though, Arbcom itself doesn't
participate much in openly discussing its cases. Strange isn't it?
If you catch us in a good mood, maybe. :-)
[I'm currently one of those arbitrators, if
Bit of a cryptic heading? I thought so too when I saw it, but it's
actually quite an interesting use of AWB:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:FRONDS
Find/Replace ON Demand Services, in case anyone hadn't worked it out.
Carcharoth
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On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.comwrote:
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 8:13 PM, stevertigostv...@gmail.com wrote:
Ironically enough though, Arbcom itself doesn't participate much in
openly
discussing its cases. Strange isn't it?
If you catch us in a good
Good point, Emily. Ironically enough though, Arbcom itself doesn't
participate much in openly discussing its cases. Strange isn't it?
-Stevertigo
Not really, doing the work is hard enough. Additional communication is on
top of that. If decisions are made privately, it would have to be
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:
Good point, Emily. Ironically enough though, Arbcom itself doesn't
participate much in openly discussing its cases. Strange isn't it?
Not really, doing the work is hard enough. Additional communication is on
top of
Just a little nitpick: metamorphic is not used in linguistics - the
lingustic term is morphological, but I understand you probably mean
idiomatic or 'conceptually amorphous.'
I meant slang words, idioms, etc. Is that what you're talking about?
I read everything you've written here and didn't
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