Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:Paradoxes

2009-08-01 Thread Samuel Klein
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: > > Does this thread have anything to do with this list? Does anyone care anymore? > Magic 8-ball says... no. Not that there's anything wrong with the discussion. Perhaps we need an 'open' list for people subscribed to any of the other list

Re: [WikiEN-l] Rorschach wars continue

2009-08-01 Thread WJhonson
"Harm" is gray, not black and white. Almost anything we publish could *cause harm* in some way. However the Rorschach images are not BLPs. I'm sure publishing details to day about President Wilson's adultery might "cause harm" to his descendents if any, but it's already been published in a d

Re: [WikiEN-l] Rorschach wars continue

2009-08-01 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Sat, 1 Aug 2009, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > > I think that AGF requires that we take the psychologists at their word > > when they claim that they want the pictures removed because they cause harm, > > rather than to help their income. > Methinks that posting was a smiley facey wanting. I si

Re: [WikiEN-l] resolution-l

2009-08-01 Thread WJhonson
I believe that you are mistakenly supposing that the list would discuss *a particular* case. I believe that the original proposal was to create a list that would discuss the resolution process itself, not a particular case of it, but rather the entirety of the process. Will In a me

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:Paradoxes

2009-08-01 Thread WJhonson
I know you are trying to be rigorous, but your logic has far too many assumptions to be so. Firstly you assume that a property is eternal. Predicate logic would probably assume that if A exists, than that does not change, but the entire message I'm proposing is that this property can change.

Re: [WikiEN-l] IRC Group Contacts Surgery, August 2009

2009-08-01 Thread FastLizard4
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This is what happens when you mix computer programmers and mailing lists. :P - -- - --FastLizard4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:FastLizard4 | http://scalar.cluenet.org/~fastlizard4/) Ray Saintonge wrote: > Keegan Paul wrote: >> Was that English?

Re: [WikiEN-l] someone after non-active admin accounts

2009-08-01 Thread Luna
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Jay Litwyn < brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> wrote: > Plus, no admin actions went against his account: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Wp_freedom_fighter > on wikipedia. It's not the most intuitive thing, but the "user" field in l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Abbott caught altering entries to Wikipedia

2009-08-01 Thread David Gerard
2009/7/31 Jay Litwyn : > I can almost see a whack-a-mole problem happening if we tried to control it, > say by listing IP#s by default on edits to commercial interests. Then they > would just do the suppresion through remote access to their home computer. > http://wikiscanner.virgil.gr/ I should c

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Downtime due to network maintenance, Friday July 31st 12:00 UTC

2009-08-01 Thread John Doe
everything will ve affected On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Casey Brown wrote: > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Until It > Sleeps wrote: > > "Unfortunately this means that practically all sites and services will be > > down during that time." > > > > Does this mean all mailing list sites, or

Re: [WikiEN-l] Rorschach wars continue

2009-08-01 Thread Samuel Klein
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Ray Saintonge wrote: > Steve Bennett wrote: >> So, can someone fill me in on why we're laughing at this? From the article: >> >> That seems like a pretty reasonable concern to me. To destroy the >> effectiveness of a test that has that kind of research background to

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:Paradoxes

2009-08-01 Thread Carcharoth
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: > > Does this thread have anything to do with this list? Does anyone care anymore? > I was thinking that as well. >From experience, unless booted elsewhere, these "religion / general philosophy" threads take on a life of their own and become

Re: [WikiEN-l] Where does en:wp need most help?

2009-08-01 Thread David Gerard
2009/8/1 Steve Bennett : > My current view is that [[wp:1.0]] is really the only taskforce that > matters, and there is a huge amount of work to be done there. Clean up > the process, improve the selection, review more articles, improve the > articles that are going to be released. > When deciding

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Downtime due to network maintenance, Friday July 31st 12:00 UTC

2009-08-01 Thread Casey Brown
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Until It Sleeps wrote: > "Unfortunately this means that practically all sites and services will be > down during that time." > > Does this mean all mailing list sites, or all Wikimedia sites, including > Wikipedia itself? Both, afaik, but the downtime is over now a

Re: [WikiEN-l] Where does en:wp need most help?

2009-08-01 Thread Steve Bennett
> But I'm  interested to know if the good people of this list are aware > of specific  tasks/duties on en:wp that are woefully understaffed at > the moment. Things  that really need doing. My current view is that [[wp:1.0]] is really the only taskforce that matters, and there is a huge amount of w

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:Paradoxes

2009-08-01 Thread Steve Bennett
Does this thread have anything to do with this list? Does anyone care anymore? ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] If anyone ever says Wikipedia is too deletionist

2009-08-01 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Steve Summit wrote: > > My own take on the deletionist/inclusionist divide (which, > admittedly, has little if anything to do with Wikipedia's > inclusion policies as currently prescribed) is to ask: would > anyone, anywhere in the world (other than the author) ev

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Downtime due to network maintenance, Friday July 31st 12:00 UTC

2009-08-01 Thread Until It Sleeps
"Unfortunately this means that practically all sites and services will be down during that time." Does this mean all mailing list sites, or all Wikimedia sites, including Wikipedia itself? - Until It Sleeps - Original Message - From: "David Gerard" To: "English Wikipedia" Sent: Thur

Re: [WikiEN-l] IRC Group Contacts Surgery, August 2009

2009-08-01 Thread Jay Litwyn
One reason they are not publicly archived is so that discussions are not driven into DCC for want of not being held to word, quoted, or caught displaying a degree of ignorance or a prominent prejudice that you actually want to be argued out of. It can be live and off the cuff remarks, perhaps e

Re: [WikiEN-l] Where does en:wp need most help?

2009-08-01 Thread Jay Litwyn
wrote in message news:8cbdef1cc58b49c-1160-2...@mblk-m09.sysops.aol.com... > http://www.google.com/search?q=wikipedia+articles+with+unsourced+claims > > Proving evidently that our internal search is lame compared with Google > :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:All_articles_with_unsourced_

Re: [WikiEN-l] A modest proposal - a recap of resolution-l - Enoughalready

2009-08-01 Thread Jay Litwyn
"Risker" wrote in message news:eb45e7c0907290700i150fc36bnc445c01210ad7...@mail.gmail.com... > Not to engage anyone further in this topic, I would appreciate it if the > moderators consider whether this has gone on quite long enough, and some > moderation is needed here. > > I know several people

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:Paradoxes

2009-08-01 Thread Jay Litwyn
Please allow me to start this proof from scratch and try to go from the paradox that is most interesting to the simple answer of no, and generalizing it to all paradoxes, refuting objections in a monologue, because it does not seem to contain equally powerful participants. Can God crush an uncr

Re: [WikiEN-l] Copyright of newly found image of Phineas Gage from 1850

2009-08-01 Thread Jay Litwyn
"Brian" wrote in message news:9839a05c0907181130y31750611u1d6c29c9e3684...@mail.gmail.com... >A daguerreotype of a well adjusted [[Phineas Gage]] holding the rod that > impaled his frontal lobes was recently discovered. It will be published in > The Journal of the History of the Neurosciences im

Re: [WikiEN-l] Abbott caught altering entries to Wikipedia

2009-08-01 Thread Jay Litwyn
"Thomas Dalton" wrote in message news:a4359dff0905231300l62f6e442m749aeec5cbb25...@mail.gmail.com... > 2009/5/23 Fred Bauder : >> I suppose this is old news: >> >> http://www.brandweeknrx.com/2007/08/abbott-caught-a.html > > "August 30, 2007" > > Yeah, I'd say that's old news... I can almost see

[WikiEN-l] resolution-l

2009-08-01 Thread Jay Litwyn
Subject-Was: Blocking / Moderation Okay, so lets properly open the topic. How would anyone go about getting participants in a dispute to subscribe to this list or any other? "Bod Notbod" wrote in message news:3ae0a6ac0907280131k4e867aeer147f5fd65bedd...@mail.gmail.com... > Stevertigo: > >> And

Re: [WikiEN-l] How wikipedia could link into File Protection.

2009-08-01 Thread Jay Litwyn
wrote in message news:d10.52ec3825.3798b...@aol.com... > In a message dated 7/22/2009 7:01:10 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > sinew...@silentflame.com writes: > > OK - so I think a fair summary of this proposal (correct me if I'm wrong) > is: > We should create a group of experienced BLP editors (

Re: [WikiEN-l] someone after non-active admin accounts

2009-08-01 Thread Jay Litwyn
"Casey Brown" wrote in message news:de28ceda0907191928u248ab87cr889c788006055...@mail.gmail.com... > On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 3:06 PM, wrote: >> Why would Google care about our internal issues? >> > > I would assume because he was using a gmail e-mail address, maybe > something the user was doing

[WikiEN-l] Actually, search is broken

2009-08-01 Thread Ron Ritzman
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 2:32 PM, wrote: > The archives of this mailing list  are searchable. At the moment they're not. If you go to https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l and enter something in the search box you get "404 not found". _

Re: [WikiEN-l] Rorschach wars continue

2009-08-01 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Ken Arromdee wrote: > On Fri, 31 Jul 2009, Ray Saintonge wrote: > >> So what if there have been tens of thousands of papers on the >> Rorschachs! The geocentric universe was impervious to criticism for >> much longer. If the tests are truly scientific they will be just as >> scientific when

Re: [WikiEN-l] Rorschach wars continue

2009-08-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 5:22 AM, Ray Saintonge wrote: > So what if there have been tens of thousands of papers on the > Rorschachs!  The geocentric universe was impervious to criticism for > much longer. If the tests are truly scientific they will be just as > scientific when exposed to open critici