Re: [WikiEN-l] Online Newspapers Considering Subscription Model

2009-08-08 Thread Ray Saintonge
Cary Bass wrote: Ray Saintonge wrote: # It does not take long for a pile of old newspapers to reach the ceiling. You've tested this? :-) My wife wishes I hadn't so often. Ec ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To

Re: [WikiEN-l] Online Newspapers Considering Subscription Model

2009-08-08 Thread Charles Matthews
Carcharoth wrote: And I shudder to think of the duplicated effort in checking references. It would be great if you could look through an article and see that 5 people you trusted had ticked off most of the references as verified. Hmm, in my experience the majority of finds of inaccuracy in

Re: [WikiEN-l] Online Newspapers Considering Subscription Model

2009-08-08 Thread Ray Saintonge
wjhon...@aol.com wrote: In addition to that, we have great extra repositories for checking the existence of a purported print source at amazon.com and also at abe.com and alibris.com Amazon tends toward in-print titles, while abe.com tends toward out-of-print titles, including very rare

Re: [WikiEN-l] Online Newspapers Considering Subscription Model

2009-08-08 Thread FT2
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 2:27 AM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: *However* perhaps we could create a tag, coincidental with20{{fact}} something like {{verify?}} which would cross over to a page like Verification Requests By Date. Any established Wikipedia could take a request, do the lookup, and

Re: [WikiEN-l] If anyone ever says Wikipedia is too deletionist

2009-08-08 Thread Bryan Derksen
David Gerard wrote: 2009/7/30 Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com: sob http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Animal_births_by_year http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Animal_deaths_by_year That is ridiculous category use. Hey, someone thought it was useful ... Once upon a time I

Re: [WikiEN-l] If anyone ever says Wikipedia is too deletionist

2009-08-08 Thread Charles Matthews
Bryan Derksen wrote: David Gerard wrote: 2009/7/30 Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com: sob http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Animal_births_by_year http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Animal_deaths_by_year That is ridiculous category use. Hey, someone thought it

Re: [WikiEN-l] If anyone ever says Wikipedia is too deletionist

2009-08-08 Thread Carcharoth
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Charles Matthewscharles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Bryan Derksen wrote: David Gerard wrote: 2009/7/30 Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com: sob http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Animal_births_by_year

Re: [WikiEN-l] If anyone ever says Wikipedia is too deletionist

2009-08-08 Thread Steve Summit
Carcharoth wrote: I think what some people want is more a way to take a category such as Famous animals and its subcategories, and run a dynamic query that returns a list of all the members of those categories sorted by dates of birth and death. A dynamic version of a list. I know I'd love it

Re: [WikiEN-l] If anyone ever says Wikipedia is too deletionist

2009-08-08 Thread WJhonson
About Women on Wikipedia, I think famous is probably problematic, like list of short women, is too much based on a judgement call. And a list of all women on wikipedia would be too enormous. However I would think no one would object to something like Women by Nationality and then have a sub-cat

Re: [WikiEN-l] Online Newspapers Considering Subscription Model

2009-08-08 Thread David Goodman
If you are actually doing this, I shall have to check your contributions and revert every such removal. They are not convenience links, as they are when there is a print version only. They are perfectly good links, and meet policy--almost always, except in the case of really esoteric sources,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Online Newspapers Considering Subscription Model

2009-08-08 Thread WJhonson
I think David you have not understood at all what I said. Please explain your objection in a manner highlighting what you think I said, and why you would object to what I said. Will ** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps!

Re: [WikiEN-l] Online Newspapers Considering Subscription Model

2009-08-08 Thread WJhonson
David my response was in *three* parts not one. You must consider all three parts as one whole response, not each one as a seperate response. Part 1 was solely dealing with items which have a subscription wall and only live on the internet and have no other source whatsoever. Can you name

Re: [WikiEN-l] Online Newspapers Considering Subscription Model

2009-08-08 Thread David Goodman
A reference that requires payment is still a reference and there is no reason to remove it. Almost always, these paid sources are subscribed to by libraries to which many hundreds of people here have access, and can be accessed at least by those members of that institution, and often by public

Re: [WikiEN-l] Online Newspapers Considering Subscription Model

2009-08-08 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 8/8/2009 6:50:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dgoodma...@gmail.com writes: A reference that requires payment is still a reference and there is no reason to remove it. Almost always, these paid sources are subscribed to by libraries to which many hundreds of people here have

Re: [WikiEN-l] If anyone ever says Wikipedia is too deletionist

2009-08-08 Thread Bryan Derksen
wjhon...@aol.com wrote: About Women on Wikipedia, I think famous is probably problematic, like list of short women, is too much based on a judgement call. Heck, in a few cases the Women classification might prove to be based on a judgement call. The panoply of transgender classifications and

Re: [WikiEN-l] If anyone ever says Wikipedia is too deletionist

2009-08-08 Thread Emily Monroe
Trying to hammer every peg into one of just two holes is bound to cause problems. Then there's the issue of people who are inter-sexed (born with mixed or absent gender-specific organs, example being [[Jim Sinclair]]), genderfuck (intentionally ignoring gender-specific cultural