Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: Sue Gardner nominated for HuffPost media game-changer of the year

2009-10-30 Thread Charles Matthews
Samuel Klein wrote: Forwarding from foundation-l. This is lovely - bold of HuffPost to include Wikimedia in its wide-angle view of today's media, and appropriate considering the way WP helps make sense of the chaos of breaking news. Right. I wonder whether the ambiguous use of access in

[WikiEN-l] How friendly are we to Newbies? Update on the create an article as a newbie challenge

2009-10-30 Thread WereSpielChequers
I'm hoping that we won't have too many trick articles in this process, or articles that should be deleted but not by CSD (the criteria are write an article that doesn't meet the deletion criteria. So far we've had a range from Battleships and miniaturists to Monarchs and a winger. I think we've

Re: [WikiEN-l] How friendly are we to Newbies? Update on the create an article as a newbie challenge

2009-10-30 Thread David Gerard
2009/10/30 WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@googlemail.com: I'm hoping that we won't have too many trick articles in this process, or articles that should be deleted but not by CSD (the criteria are write an article that doesn't meet the deletion criteria. Yeah, any such article ahs to

Re: [WikiEN-l] Imajinary Guide to Orijinal Research

2009-10-30 Thread stevertigo
Bohgosity BumaskiL brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote: Great minds discuss ideas. Mediocre minds discuss events. Small minds discuss other people. --Eleanor Roosevelt ...Which pretty much sums up the problem with Wikipedia: If we can't discuss things at the idea level, we're relegating

Re: [WikiEN-l] How friendly are we to Newbies? Update on the create an article as a newbie challenge

2009-10-30 Thread geni
2009/10/30 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: 2009/10/30 WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@googlemail.com: I'm hoping that we won't have too many trick articles in this process, or articles that should be deleted but not by CSD (the criteria are write an article that doesn't meet the deletion

Re: [WikiEN-l] How friendly are we to Newbies? Update on the create an article as a newbie challenge

2009-10-30 Thread David Gerard
2009/10/30 geni geni...@gmail.com: 2009/10/30 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: 2009/10/30 WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@googlemail.com: I'm hoping that we won't have too many trick articles in this process, or articles that should be deleted but not by CSD (the criteria are write an

Re: [WikiEN-l] How friendly are we to Newbies? Update on the create an article as a newbie challenge

2009-10-30 Thread Carcharoth
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 7:04 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/30 geni geni...@gmail.com: 2009/10/30 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: 2009/10/30 WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@googlemail.com: I'm hoping that we won't have too many trick articles in this process, or

Re: [WikiEN-l] How friendly are we to Newbies? Update on the create an article as a newbie challenge

2009-10-30 Thread Charles Matthews
David Gerard wrote: Discussion on the funcs list indicates there's a real problem. That way, the admin population can't dismiss it as just you whining - but something the arbs are seeing as well, and consider below the ideal of admin behaviour. We're after a cultural change, after all.

Re: [WikiEN-l] How friendly are we to Newbies? Update on the create an article as a newbie challenge

2009-10-30 Thread Ryan Delaney
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: David Gerard wrote: Discussion on the funcs list indicates there's a real problem. That way, the admin population can't dismiss it as just you whining - but something the arbs are seeing as well,

Re: [WikiEN-l] How friendly are we to Newbies? Update on the create an article as a newbie challenge

2009-10-30 Thread David Gerard
2009/10/30 Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com: So where do we stand now on your comment (of not too long ago) that the preferred mode for reversing a bum speedy deletion is not to notify the deleting admin? That was fatigue from dealing with too many people reacting as I

Re: [WikiEN-l] How friendly are we to Newbies? Update on the create an article as a newbie challenge

2009-10-30 Thread Charles Matthews
Ryan Delaney wrote: On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com mailto:charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: David Gerard wrote: Discussion on the funcs list indicates there's a real problem. That way, the admin population can't

Re: [WikiEN-l] How friendly are we to Newbies? Update on the create an article as a newbie challenge

2009-10-30 Thread David Goodman
Yes, there are enough misconceptions to make this worth discussion. In fact, one oft he reasons for not notifying is when one knows the notification will be ignored, or, possibly, start a conflict. Give the official equality of all admins, most of us are not anxious for conflict, and this is