Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia Freedom Fighters?

2010-03-28 Thread icewedge
Just ignore it. All admins have been getting these. Nothing is coming of it, except perhaps some little humor if one so desires. On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Charles Matthews < charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com> wrote: > David Gerard wrote: > > On 28 March 2010 17:18, William Pietri wrote: >

Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

2010-03-28 Thread David Goodman
Even for the US, about 80% of the members of state legislatures historically are not covered. For the current Michigan House of Representatives, only 50% of the current members have articles, and almost none of the earlier ones. this is very low-lying fruit, well within the reach of any beginner.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Inside Higher Ed: Does Wikipedia Suck?

2010-03-28 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:24 PM 3/28/2010, Fred Bauder wrote: >That is why I despise the war on external links and further reading some >editors seem to think is appropriate. I don't think that some editors realize the extent to which the blacklist, originally intended to control spam, is used to control content.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

2010-03-28 Thread Carcharoth
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Ian Woollard wrote: > The idea comes from a mixture of looking at the statistics peak and > looking at the articles that still are needed. Nearly all of the > low-hanging fruit is clearly gone now. Most of the mid-hanging fruit > is also now gone. We're getting

Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

2010-03-28 Thread Carcharoth
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 12:06 AM, geni wrote: > On 28 March 2010 20:42, Carcharoth wrote: >> Just as an example, I was taking part in the Military History World >> War I contest recently, and there were at least 43 new articles >> created (or expanded) for DYK. I'm currently trying to work out ho

Re: [WikiEN-l] A war on external links? Was: Inside Higher Ed: Does Wikipedia Suck?

2010-03-28 Thread Gwern Branwen
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: >>> And >>> further reading sections can point the way for future expansions of >>> the article, or for the reader to go and find out more about the >>> topic. >>> >>> Carcharoth >> >> Th

Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

2010-03-28 Thread geni
On 28 March 2010 20:42, Carcharoth wrote: > Just as an example, I was taking part in the Military History World > War I contest recently, and there were at least 43 new articles > created (or expanded) for DYK. I'm currently trying to work out how > many articles were actually created (as opposed

Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

2010-03-28 Thread Ian Woollard
On 28/03/2010, Carcharoth wrote: > On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Ian Woollard >> I think a lot of people get involved to write new articles. It looks >> like 2007 was 'peak oil' for new articles; after that it was getting >> harder to find new articles to write; about half of the articles that

Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

2010-03-28 Thread Keegan Paul
I think Charles' draft analogy is a good one. The article creation rate should be slowing, and expansion should be growing, which is what we are focusing on for the most part. This ties into the decline in new contributors, but the continued activity amongst regular and long term users. ~Keegan

[WikiEN-l] A war on external links? Was: Inside Higher Ed: Does Wikipedia Suck?

2010-03-28 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: >> And >> further reading sections can point the way for future expansions of >> the article, or for the reader to go and find out more about the >> topic. >> >> Carcharoth > > That is why I despise the war on external links and further reading s

Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

2010-03-28 Thread Carcharoth
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Ian Woollard wrote: > I think a lot of people get involved to write new articles. It looks > like 2007 was 'peak oil' for new articles; after that it was getting > harder to find new articles to write; about half of the articles that > were realistically likely

Re: [WikiEN-l] Inside Higher Ed: Does Wikipedia Suck?

2010-03-28 Thread Fred Bauder
> And > further reading sections can point the way for future expansions of > the article, or for the reader to go and find out more about the > topic. > > Carcharoth That is why I despise the war on external links and further reading some editors seem to think is appropriate. Fred Bauder

Re: [WikiEN-l] Inside Higher Ed: Does Wikipedia Suck?

2010-03-28 Thread Carcharoth
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 10:47 AM, David Gerard wrote: > This is about a very useful study that brought home to college > students that wp is what it is, not what it isn't. > > http://www.insidehighered.com/advice/instant_mentor/weir22 Thanks, David. A very good article. It resonates with what I'

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia Freedom Fighters?

2010-03-28 Thread Charles Matthews
David Gerard wrote: > On 28 March 2010 17:18, William Pietri wrote: > > >> I just received an odd email suggesting I hand over my admin account to >> the "Wikipedia Freedom Fighters". I see that they did something similar >> back in May. Whether this is an actual effort or just a way to stir up

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia Freedom Fighters?

2010-03-28 Thread David Gerard
On 28 March 2010 17:18, William Pietri wrote: > I just received an odd email suggesting I hand over my admin account to > the "Wikipedia Freedom Fighters". I see that they did something similar > back in May. Whether this is an actual effort or just a way to stir up > trouble, I dunno -- the cont

Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

2010-03-28 Thread Charles Matthews
Ian Woollard wrote: > * - there's been some new articles required since the Wikipedia > started up in 2001; knowledge has been created! New knowledge is > eventually going to set the level of continued growth of the > Wikipedia, perhaps about 500 articles per day or something. If you > look at the

[WikiEN-l] Wikipedia Freedom Fighters?

2010-03-28 Thread William Pietri
I just received an odd email suggesting I hand over my admin account to the "Wikipedia Freedom Fighters". I see that they did something similar back in May. Whether this is an actual effort or just a way to stir up trouble, I dunno -- the content was ridiculous enough that I figure it's probabl

Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

2010-03-28 Thread Ian Woollard
On 28/03/2010, Keegan Paul wrote: > http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/ChartsWikipediaEN.htm > > It's obvious of the > peak in January of 2007. > > What I'm interested in is thoughts of why New Contributors has statistically > declined sharply, but t

Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

2010-03-28 Thread William Pietri
On 03/27/2010 09:49 PM, Keegan Paul wrote: > What I'm interested in is thoughts of why New Contributors has statistically > declined sharply, but the list of active contributors has much less of a > slope and even less so for very active contributors. > > What happened in the first six months of 20

[WikiEN-l] Inside Higher Ed: Does Wikipedia Suck?

2010-03-28 Thread David Gerard
This is about a very useful study that brought home to college students that wp is what it is, not what it isn't. http://www.insidehighered.com/advice/instant_mentor/weir22 - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe fro

Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

2010-03-28 Thread Stephen Bain
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > > The number of new contributors _must_ > decline at some point, unless you hold a hypothesis that Wikipedia > will eventually be driving the growth of human population. ;) Well, young people *are* increasingly turning to Wikipedia to lear

Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

2010-03-28 Thread Keegan Paul
Oh yeah, the Account Creation proccess, article upload wizard, and commons image uploading process has some effect as well. In optimizing one or a few times contributions, we perhaps also do not pique interest in further content creation. On the other hand, maybe they wouldn't have even tried bef

Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

2010-03-28 Thread Keegan Paul
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:57 AM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:49 AM, Keegan Paul wrote: > > http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/ChartsWikipediaEN.htm > > > > It's obvious of the > > peak in January of 2007. > > > > What I'm in