Re: [WikiEN-l] Admin / experienced user flameout - how do we talk people down off the ledge?

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: > > >> > >> Yes, we need to address the problems, not blame the victims and help > >> them > >> cope with nightmares. > >> > >> Fred > >> > > What do you propose? > > > > Personally, what I'm going to do is participate more on noticeboards. > Ad

Re: [WikiEN-l] Admin / experienced user flameout - how do we talk people down off the ledge?

>> >> Yes, we need to address the problems, not blame the victims and help >> them >> cope with nightmares. >> >> Fred >> > What do you propose? > Personally, what I'm going to do is participate more on noticeboards. Adapting that to a general solution would involve experienced administrators pay

Re: [WikiEN-l] Admin / experienced user flameout - how do we talk people down off the ledge?

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: > > > > > The other side of that coin is that when there are systemic problems that > > necessarily reduce in stress or even abusive treatment of administrators, > > you ought to be identifying and correcting that. Right now, you have > > exactl

Re: [WikiEN-l] Admin / experienced user flameout - how do we talk people down off the ledge?

> > The other side of that coin is that when there are systemic problems that > necessarily reduce in stress or even abusive treatment of administrators, > you ought to be identifying and correcting that. Right now, you have > exactly > such a situation. Working toward identifying and correcting w

Re: [WikiEN-l] Admin / experienced user flameout - how do we talk people down off the ledge?

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 2:15 AM, Fred Bauder wrote: > Fred > > > > I failed my first try, and could have failed my second if I hadn't > > made a serious effort to ameliorate a negative perception from taking > > a stand earlier. > > > > The edge of the knife that we must balance on is both being

Re: [WikiEN-l] "Wikipedia’s Foundation Plans Expa nsion"

Gwern Branwen wrote: > On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 4:55 AM, Liam Wyatt wrote: > >> But I also think that we all agree >> that there's definitely a long way to go before en-wp could be considered >> "full". IMO we're only just scratching the surface of what we can eventually >> achieve :-) >> >> -Li

Re: [WikiEN-l] "Wikipedia’s Foundation Plans Exp ansion"

Liam Wyatt wrote: > On 13 July 2010 09:05, Charles Matthews > > wrote: > > James Alexander wrote: > > On a related note: someone brought this Times article to the > meetup in > > Boston Monday > http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/12/business

Re: [WikiEN-l] "Wikipedia’s Foundation Plans Expa nsion"

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 4:55 AM, Liam Wyatt wrote: > But I also think that we all agree > that there's definitely a long way to go before en-wp could be considered > "full". IMO we're only just scratching the surface of what we can eventually > achieve :-) > > -Liam My usual link on this topic is

Re: [WikiEN-l] Admin / experienced user flameout - how do we talk people down off the ledge?

Fred > > I failed my first try, and could have failed my second if I hadn't > made a serious effort to ameliorate a negative perception from taking > a stand earlier. > > The edge of the knife that we must balance on is both being willing to > take stands, and be open to feedback from the communit

Re: [WikiEN-l] "Wikipedia’s Foundation Plans Exp ansion"

On 13 July 2010 09:05, Charles Matthews wrote: > James Alexander wrote: > > On a related note: someone brought this Times article to the meetup in > > Boston Monday > http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/12/business/media/12link.html. > > There is some truth to it I think and the staffing changes reflec