Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Landing Pages - functional prototype to test and comment on

2012-03-11 Thread David Gerard
BTW, can I claim past credit for this one too? http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2006-November/057225.html http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2006-November/057321.html - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Landing Pages - functional prototype to test and comment on

2012-03-11 Thread Steven Walling
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Steven Walling wrote: > This is a great point. In addition to Oliver's explanation on-list, do > folks think the descriptions on EN [1][ and MediaWiki.org [[2] are > sufficiently clear? > > The former is meant primarily for the community, and the latter is > writt

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Landing Pages - functional prototype to test and comment on

2012-03-11 Thread Steven Walling
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 5:33 AM, Charles Matthews wrote: > To clarify, it might be a help to state what it is that is apparently > broken that you are trying to fix. If it is the existing low barrier to > article creation by one-and-all, it is worth pointing out that wiki systems > were designed t

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Landing Pages - functional prototype to test and comment on

2012-03-11 Thread Oliver Keyes
> Oic, you can create your own account on the labs site. > > My thoughts: > > - The choices "use the article wizard", "create a draft", "create this > article myself" are a bit confusing. Especially the first two - that's > a really unusual distinction that doesn't make much sense to me. I'd > expe

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Landing Pages - functional prototype to test and comment on

2012-03-11 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:01 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: > Did someone change the password? Those details aren't working for me. Oic, you can create your own account on the labs site. My thoughts: - The choices "use the article wizard", "create a draft", "create this article myself" are a bit con

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Landing Pages - functional prototype to test and comment on

2012-03-11 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > What our devs would really love is if people could provide feedback on what > they've put together so far. There is an early prototype at > http://ee-prototype.wmflabs.org/ , and > I’d encourage everyone to

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Landing Pages - functional prototype to test and comment on

2012-03-11 Thread Oliver Keyes
On 11 March 2012 10:36, WereSpielChequers wrote: > Hi Oliver, > > Yes my criticism of your requiring new authors of new articles to have "a > familiarity with policy" and "several references" was about what you said > you intend this new software to do, not on how close the current prototype > is

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Landing Pages - functional prototype to test and comment on

2012-03-11 Thread Oliver Keyes
On 11 March 2012 09:30, Charles Matthews wrote: > On 11 March 2012 08:56, Oliver Keyes wrote: > > > > > A low barrier to contribution is not a problem. What we are trying to fix > > is the overwork of patrollers and the fact that new editors go into the > > article creation process unaware of wha

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Landing Pages - functional prototype to test and comment on

2012-03-11 Thread WereSpielChequers
Hi Oliver, Yes my criticism of your requiring new authors of new articles to have "a familiarity with policy" and "several references" was about what you said you intend this new software to do, not on how close the current prototype is to achieving that. If your intent is other than you said the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Landing Pages - functional prototype to test and comment on

2012-03-11 Thread Charles Matthews
On 11 March 2012 08:56, Oliver Keyes wrote: > > A low barrier to contribution is not a problem. What we are trying to fix > is the overwork of patrollers and the fact that new editors go into the > article creation process unaware of what to expect and ignorant of policy, > which understandably e

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Landing Pages - functional prototype to test and comment on

2012-03-11 Thread Oliver Keyes
On 11 March 2012 08:33, Charles Matthews wrote: > On 11 March 2012 03:37, Oliver Keyes wrote: > > > > The reason we're starting off by seeing > > if we can improve quality and inform newbies with Special:NewPages rather > > than Special:RecentChanges is, firstly, because it's a lot easier to >

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Landing Pages - functional prototype to test and comment on

2012-03-11 Thread Charles Matthews
On 11 March 2012 03:37, Oliver Keyes wrote: > The reason we're starting off by seeing > if we can improve quality and inform newbies with Special:NewPages rather > than Special:RecentChanges is, firstly, because it's a lot easier to trial > there (less stuff going on), and secondly because we'd