[WikiEN-l] Opinions Needed: Why Do People Contribute to Wikipedia?

2012-04-04 Thread Audrey Abeyta
Dear Wikipedia contributors, Your valuable opinions are needed regarding users' motivations to contribute to Wikipedia. This topic is currently investigated by Audrey Abeyta, an undergraduate student at the University of California, Santa Barbara. You can read a more detailed description of th

Re: [WikiEN-l] "Corporate Representatives for Ethical Wikipedia Engagement"

2012-04-04 Thread Carcharoth
I noticed a thread on Jimbo's talk page that is partly related to this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#A_radical_idea.3B_BLP_opt-out_for_all Tarc suggested: "Any living person, subject to identity verification via OTRS, may request the deletion of their article. No discussion

Re: [WikiEN-l] "Corporate Representatives for Ethical Wikipedia Engagement"

2012-04-04 Thread George Herbert
BLP is a good idea and we got it for good reasons. These recent developments, however, forget that we are *an encyclopedia*. It's into barking mad territory. No. We will not go to removing bios on demand on my watch. George William Herbert Sent from my iPhone On Apr 4, 2012, at 5:27, Carchar

Re: [WikiEN-l] "Corporate Representatives for Ethical Wikipedia Engagement"

2012-04-04 Thread Carcharoth
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 1:47 PM, George Herbert wrote: > BLP is a good idea and we got it for good reasons.  These recent > developments, however, forget that we are *an encyclopedia*. It's into > barking mad territory. > > No. We will not go to removing bios on demand on my watch. OK, but what

Re: [WikiEN-l] "Corporate Representatives for Ethical Wikipedia Engagement"

2012-04-04 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Wed, 4 Apr 2012, George Herbert wrote: BLP is a good idea and we got it for good reasons. These recent developments, however, forget that we are *an encyclopedia*. It's into barking mad territory. No. We will not go to removing bios on demand on my watch. I would suggest as a modest propo

Re: [WikiEN-l] "Corporate Representatives for Ethical Wikipedia Engagement"

2012-04-04 Thread Charles Matthews
On 4 April 2012 15:10, Carcharoth wrote: > > > We *should* have a category of BLP stubs, but I can't find it. Maybe > someone can cross-reference the BLP category and the "people stub" > category (and its sub-categories) and find out how many are BLPs. > > In principle that shouldn't be too hard

Re: [WikiEN-l] "Corporate Representatives for Ethical Wikipedia Engagement"

2012-04-04 Thread Charles Matthews
On 4 April 2012 16:24, Ken Arromdee wrote: > I would suggest as a modest proposal that we do away with "Wikipedia is an > encyclopedia". I've already suggested that we do away with the IAR > clause "to improve the encyclopedia". > Oh, I don't know, it still has explanatory value. "Comprehensiv

Re: [WikiEN-l] "Corporate Representatives for Ethical Wikipedia Engagement"

2012-04-04 Thread Carcharoth
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Charles Matthews wrote: > On 4 April 2012 15:10, Carcharoth wrote: >> >> We *should* have a category of BLP stubs, but I can't find it. Maybe >> someone can cross-reference the BLP category and the "people stub" >> category (and its sub-categories) and find out how

Re: [WikiEN-l] "Corporate Representatives for Ethical Wikipedia Engagement"

2012-04-04 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Wed, 4 Apr 2012, Charles Matthews wrote: "Wikipedia is an encyclopedia" constantly gets misinterpreted to mean "we may never allow other concerns to take precedence over being encyclopediac". This is wrong. Mmm. There is a certain rather blinkered singlemindedness that can set in with some p

Re: [WikiEN-l] "Corporate Representatives for Ethical Wikipedia Engagement"

2012-04-04 Thread Fred Bauder
> On Wed, 4 Apr 2012, George Herbert wrote: >> BLP is a good idea and we got it for good reasons. These recent >> developments, however, forget that we are *an encyclopedia*. It's into >> barking mad territory. >> >> No. We will not go to removing bios on demand on my watch. > > I would suggest as

Re: [WikiEN-l] "Corporate Representatives for Ethical Wikipedia Engagement"

2012-04-04 Thread Carcharoth
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: > I would prefer we limit content to encyclopedic content. Obviously > aggregating news, especially about individuals, is incompatible with that > purpose. Large amounts of Wikipedia articles on recent topics are nothing more than aggregating fr

Re: [WikiEN-l] "Corporate Representatives for Ethical Wikipedia Engagement"

2012-04-04 Thread David Gerard
On 4 April 2012 17:55, Carcharoth wrote: > Large amounts of Wikipedia articles on recent topics are nothing more > than aggregating from news sources. A lot of this will be the canonicalisation of any rubbish in a newspaper as a Reliable Source. If you don't want your article deleted, put as ma

Re: [WikiEN-l] "Corporate Representatives for Ethical Wikipedia Engagement"

2012-04-04 Thread Ian Woollard
On 4 April 2012 17:55, Carcharoth wrote: > > I wonder, how much of the early editing (first 2-3 years), was on news > topics? Probably relatively little because there weren't many editors and those that were were concentrating on copying other encyclopedias. > How much was on historical topic

Re: [WikiEN-l] "Corporate Representatives for Ethical Wikipedia Engagement"

2012-04-04 Thread George Herbert
George William Herbert Sent from my iPhone On Apr 4, 2012, at 9:34, Ken Arromdee wrote: > I didn't pull this out of thin air, after all--I was replying to someone > who, with complete seriousness, said that we shouldn't delete a BLP because > Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. I did not say that, n

Re: [WikiEN-l] "Corporate Representatives for Ethical Wikipedia Engagement"

2012-04-04 Thread Andrew Gray
On 4 April 2012 17:28, Carcharoth wrote: >>> In principle that shouldn't be too hard to do, with Catscan 2.0 to >> intersect categories for you. In practice the toolserver can't be taken for >> granted. And it seems that the naive way of doing this produces a list that >> is just too big (I took

Re: [WikiEN-l] "Corporate Representatives for Ethical Wikipedia Engagement"

2012-04-04 Thread Tom Morris
On Wednesday, 4 April 2012 at 20:16, Andrew Gray wrote: > Catscan has always been quite slow - it's fair enough, I suppose, when > you consider it's having to match item-by-item in two very large and > dynamically generated lists! I wonder if it's possible to tell it to > just return a figure for m

[WikiEN-l] A poem about Wikipedia

2012-04-04 Thread David Gerard
Well, not really. Apparently it's common in some US elementary schools. http://poetry.poetryx.com/poems/10557/ - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailma

Re: [WikiEN-l] "Corporate Representatives for Ethical Wikipedia Engagement"

2012-04-04 Thread Charles Matthews
On 4 April 2012 20:16, Andrew Gray wrote: > > Putting these together, I would make a wild stab at saying that it is > unlikely more than half our BLPs - about a quarter of a million > entries - are stubs. I'm not sure I'd go as low as 100,000, but it's > interesting how divergent the estimates fr

Re: [WikiEN-l] A poem about Wikipedia

2012-04-04 Thread Alan Liefting
Lovely... Yes it ''should'' be a poem about Wikipedia. Tightening up on new user accounts and some sort of revision control will go a lng way towards improving Wikipedia. Alan On 5/04/2012 7:39 a.m., David Gerard wrote: Well, not really. Apparently it's common in some US elementary schoo

Re: [WikiEN-l] A poem about Wikipedia

2012-04-04 Thread Skyring
After the past week or so, I think we're at the "sinking into the moss" stage. Maybe putting out a few roots. -- Peter in Canberra ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikime