Re: [WikiEN-l] Fox News says we have a "rampant porn problem"

2012-09-10 Thread WereSpielChequers
There are several issues here. One is that we are an open source site, “The idea we discussed was that NetSpark would either donate or heavily discount the cost of the filter for Wikipedia." Surely Sanger knows us well enough to know not to suggest that we ditch open source and work with a software

[WikiEN-l] Privilege

2012-09-10 Thread Fred Bauder
The exercise of privilege is not usually called bullying, nor, when its prerogatives are denied are its holders called victims. Wikipedia does accord privilege to authority but only published authority. Fred ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wi

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fox News says we have a "rampant porn problem"

2012-09-10 Thread Fred Bauder
> On Sep 10, 2012 9:20 PM, "Risker" wrote: >> >> In reality, many businesses and individuals have filtering in place to >> prevent access to pages that include certain keywords. I've sometimes > been >> stymied when following a legitimate link when I'm on a computer that >> has >> some form of ne

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fox News says we have a "rampant porn problem"

2012-09-10 Thread Fred Bauder
"Wikipedia Co-Founder Larry Sanger has launched a campaign against the online encyclopedia for content filters to be put in place." Part of being a reference work. There are aspects of reality that are offensive or disturbing. I think we've made considerable progress on this matter in terms of rem

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fox News says we have a "rampant porn problem"

2012-09-10 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Sep 10, 2012 9:20 PM, "Risker" wrote: > > In reality, many businesses and individuals have filtering in place to > prevent access to pages that include certain keywords. I've sometimes been > stymied when following a legitimate link when I'm on a computer that has > some form of net nanny soft

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fox News says we have a "rampant porn problem"

2012-09-10 Thread Peter Coombe
It's telling that Fox News are using the Simple English Wikipedia. Also someone should let them know you only need to type in one of the search boxes to do a search, not both. > NetSpark's technology was used in 2010 with Israeli technology company > Cellcom to filter the mobile web, creating a "

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fox News says we have a "rampant porn problem"

2012-09-10 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Bob the Wikipedian wrote: > Re-read what I wrote. I didn't say "best". Having never browsed around > specifically for porn, and Wikipedia having been the only site that's put > porn in my face without my asking for it, on top of the fact Wikipedia has > an excellen

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fox News says we have a "rampant porn problem"

2012-09-10 Thread Risker
In reality, many businesses and individuals have filtering in place to prevent access to pages that include certain keywords. I've sometimes been stymied when following a legitimate link when I'm on a computer that has some form of net nanny software. As it turns out, it seems that software isn't

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fox News says we have a "rampant porn problem"

2012-09-10 Thread Bob the Wikipedian
Re-read what I wrote. I didn't say "best". Having never browsed around specifically for porn, and Wikipedia having been the only site that's put porn in my face without my asking for it, on top of the fact Wikipedia has an excellent categorization system and is allowed even in the workplace and

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fox News says we have a "rampant porn problem"

2012-09-10 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Bob the Wikipedian wrote: > I can't imagine a site more accessible and better organized than Wikipedia > for someone seeking porn. They're quite correct. > > Bob > > Really? Wikipedia is the best porn site you can imagine? Welcome to the Internets, Bob, take a loo

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fox News says we have a "rampant porn problem"

2012-09-10 Thread Bob the Wikipedian
I can't imagine a site more accessible and better organized than Wikipedia for someone seeking porn. They're quite correct. Bob On 9/10/2012 1:51 PM, Steve Summit wrote: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/09/10/wikipedia-slow-to-filter-graphic-imagery-from-site/ "Wikipedia has turned down a mor

[WikiEN-l] Fox News says we have a "rampant porn problem"

2012-09-10 Thread Steve Summit
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/09/10/wikipedia-slow-to-filter-graphic-imagery-from-site/ "Wikipedia has turned down a more or less free offer for software that would keep minors and unsuspecting web surfers from stumbling upon graphic images of sex organs, acts and emissions, FoxNews.com has lea

Re: [WikiEN-l] Only on WP is the victim a "bully"

2012-09-10 Thread Marc Riddell
on 9/10/12 12:26 PM, Matthew Jacobs at sxeptoman...@gmail.com wrote: >skip< > I'm really, really sick of administrators acting like complete jerks, and > not only failing to get admonished in any significant way for it, but > people making up excuses for their dickish behavior, and then attacking

Re: [WikiEN-l] Only on WP is the victim a "bully"

2012-09-10 Thread Charles Matthews
On 10 September 2012 17:26, Matthew Jacobs wrote: > Only on WP. This kind of crap is why I've essentially given up on the site. > The man wants an article on HIS OWN WORK to be accurate, and was frustrated > by the apparently quite unhelpful people he met there. That's just plain > ridiculous, bu

Re: [WikiEN-l] Roth is an elderly man googling

2012-09-10 Thread Charles Matthews
On 10 September 2012 17:32, Ken Arromdee wrote: > On Mon, 10 Sep 2012, Charles Matthews wrote: > >> Besides, once he is verified to be himself, he is a reliable source. The >>> issue was that he was a primary source and the secondary sources had >>> preference. >>> >> The issue appears to be som

Re: [WikiEN-l] Roth is an elderly man googling

2012-09-10 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Mon, 10 Sep 2012, Charles Matthews wrote: Besides, once he is verified to be himself, he is a reliable source. The issue was that he was a primary source and the secondary sources had preference. The issue appears to be something different. Roth's biographer wanted the existing secondary sou

[WikiEN-l] Only on WP is the victim a "bully"

2012-09-10 Thread Matthew Jacobs
Only on WP. This kind of crap is why I've essentially given up on the site. The man wants an article on HIS OWN WORK to be accurate, and was frustrated by the apparently quite unhelpful people he met there. That's just plain ridiculous, but it's beyond absurd that he would then be called a "bully"

Re: [WikiEN-l] Roth is an elderly man googling

2012-09-10 Thread Charles Matthews
On 10 September 2012 17:04, Ken Arromdee wrote: > On Sat, 8 Sep 2012, Charles Matthews wrote: > >> You might be justified in saying this if he was really told he wasn't >> "credible". If he was told that he wasn't a "reliable source" in WP's >> terms, that is a different kettle of fish. >> > > Ho

Re: [WikiEN-l] Roth is an elderly man googling

2012-09-10 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Sat, 8 Sep 2012, Charles Matthews wrote: You might be justified in saying this if he was really told he wasn't "credible". If he was told that he wasn't a "reliable source" in WP's terms, that is a different kettle of fish. How's he supposed to know the difference? Besides, once he is verif