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>> it comes"? Right now, decisions about protections are rarely the subject
>> of inter-admin disagreement. Is that going to change? If so, who wins?
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ne wishes radical change, it is sometimes
better to start over again from scratch than to adapt existing
structures.
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> much more than the pages on which matters are discussed, as places to
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And so I do.
But it doesn't take an ideal world to institutionalize BEFORE as a
requirement. Just an approxima
an you explain and suggest what you mean here?
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> FT2
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>> (Snip)
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>> Perhaps a rewording not using absolute terms
>> might work better--NFCC has shown the disadvantages of using in an
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one. As I have proposed it, it simply takes advantage of an
> existing process (RfB) and group of users (bureaucrats) and would require
> only minimal amendments to policy, setting aside those areas of
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Not bad in terms of function, except for the small size of the search
box, which should be twice the current size there. But it would
still be better on the left side, under the logo.
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On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 9:15 PM
, not including it because of what it shows
is censorship. NOT CENSORED means in the image context that there is
no image that we reject because of what it portrays.
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On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:29 AM, Ken Arromdee wrote:
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agreed on that. I'm very apprehensive about the possible negative
effect on new contributors, but this seems a good solution
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On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
> On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 1:25 P
pronunciation guide should be given, and we
should continue using IPA also, and consider ourselves fortunate that
there is only a single standard.
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On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 10:22 PM, stevertigo wrote:
> Question - Is this wr
. One does not get great credit for a review in
the academic world, but one does get a little--and one shows oneself
an expert in front of other experts.
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On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Carcharoth
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> On Sun, Apr 18,
about
all companies that meet our notabiliity requirements, the way we do
for populated places, it would greatly diminish the tendency for
people to think they needed to write their own article.
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On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 5:34 AM
ined to a convenient way of explaining NOT
TABLOID; that we do not write articles about someone whose involvement
in something was incidental of of no actual importance.
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>
> Didn't that evolve from the "murde
ture?
I do not consider myself an extreme inclusionist. I for example do
not support the inclusion of members of most city councils, or local
school boards.
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On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Ian Woollard wrote:
> On 29/0
or that period they do not do,
other projects will, especially for public records.
I deliberately picked Michigan, because of the quality and amount of
scanning with free access being done by the University of Michigan.
Some other states are almost equally good for local material, such as
Texas.
is easier &
better than a true fork where the articles diverge.
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On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Fred Bauder wrote:
> I think the point is to use editorial judgment with respect to what
> external links and furth
language sources.
If the other Wikipedias did similarly full coverage of their home
countries and we translated the articles, there would probably be
potential for an order of magnitude.
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On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 9:42 PM
every opportunity to improve their articles, rather
than the current tendency to our taking advantage of every opportunity
to remove it.
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I was about to sign up, but I discovered that my public library
(Brooklyn Public Library) already has it free to anyone with a library
card.
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On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Erik Moeller wrote:
> Credo Reference ( h
The criteria are the same as for any other source: whether it is used
in publications that are acknowledged to be reputable. It is the way
the outside world looks at it.
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On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Charles Matthews
dia. 1964 13 v. , such as v.8: Engineering,
v.9 recreation , but with the articles arranged alphabetically within
each vol.
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On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 7:48 PM, Gwern Branwen wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Dav
the material. (I am not advocating
for doing either one of them, except to say that either one would be
simpler to deal with than a mixture, and after their first experience
with the encyclopedia, people would know where to look.
according to reader choice.
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http
ion, as is happening right now at WT:FICTION.
The only practical hope is for us to attract new people who will come to the
discussions without long-set preconceptions about them.
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On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 5:58 AM, Charle
f the time. Personally, I
think that's the worst way to find a solution.
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On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Charles Matthews <
charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> David Goodman wrote:
> > David
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On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Ken Arromdee wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Feb 2010, Charles Matthews wrote:
> > You are paraphrasing from [[Wikipedia:Notability]]. However, as is
> > common enough in this (endl
I'm sorry but I will not participate, as I am unwilling to use a
process like IRC. The discussion should be on-wiki,.
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On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Keegan Paul wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Kee
fact
copyvios, and when I see that, I speedy deleted on that ground, unless
it seems important enough to rewrite. )
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On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 8:59 AM, The Cunctator wrote:
> Yes, trying to force people to do big edits is a
distracts us from
the actual problems here. We don't know how to deal with the demands
of doing accurate work in any sort of article, and this project is an
irrelevant anodyne.
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On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Ryan De
I would be uncomfortable with about blanking articles, if it couldnt
do better in telling whether or not something is referenced than the
last week or so of deletion nomination has done.
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On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Abd
t as easy sometimes to add references, though this is rarely
done.
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On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Magnus Manske
wrote:
> IMHO a lot of the problems with unsourced BLP would go away if it were
> easier to find sour
doing that, and so should all of us.
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On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Carcharoth
wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Carcharoth
> wrote:
>
>
>
>> I would say the MilHist B-class criteria wo
.
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On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Charles Matthews
wrote:
> The Cunctator wrote:
>> Sometimes I don't understand people. Carcharoth goes to the trouble of
>> finding his birth date, learning he received
ne of them
carefully.
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Charles Matthews
wrote:
> Emily Monroe wrote:
>> Can anybody explain what PWD is?
>>
> Surely. But in another thre
good faith in there not being omissions of significant. Selective
footnoting, like selective quoting, is a standard method of one-sided
argument.
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 7:31 PM, William Pietri wrote:
> On 01/26/2010
Sorry -- what I was replying to did not get included; I was relying to
a suggest by David Gerard that [[John Seigenthaler]] would have been a
counter- example.
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On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 3:35 PM, David Goodman wrote:
>
He was not in this group, having been dealt with years ago.
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On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 4:18 PM, David Gerard wrote:
> 2010/1/22 David Goodman :
>
>> Chicken Little is a fairly good comparison. I see in this grou
h--even
by themselves alone. And then we would be able to concentrate on the
much bigger problem of all the sourced articles in Wikipedia that
nonetheless contain major errors.
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On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Ryan Delaney w
#x27;ve a suggestion here: the people who wished to make a point
about the problem have certainly made a point. Now let them--they
themselves--prove the sincerity of their efforts by retracing their
steps and seeing what they can rescue.
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e a second admin involved.
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On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Charles Matthews
wrote:
> David Goodman wrote:
>> Arb Com at this point seems very willing to encourage arbitrary action
>> by administrators, whe
BLP.
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On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Emily Monroe wrote:
>> "Community consensus" isn't a valid reason to violate BLP. en:wp is
>> a top-5 website of massive impact, not a personal playground
&g
interested more in one than the other.
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On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Charles Matthews
wrote:
> Apoc 2400 wrote:
>>> I personally think we are at the stage where we should be spending time
>>> improving what
should expect at least the same knowledge of basic rules we look for
at an RfA.
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On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 11:17 PM, stevertigo wrote:
> Ryan Delaney wrote:
>
>> Actually, it's the other way around. Deliberat
As for the article on Horse, I hope this wasn't the real example used
in class, because by the time the letter was written, it still had no
references. The current state of the article is due to the subsequent
improvements by a number of experienced Wikipedians.
David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S.
ation that says that it is a fiction.
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On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Surreptitiousness
wrote:
> I freely admit I have an issue with fictional categories. I find them
> somewhat in the face of what categorisation was
nline
version] of ''How Wikipedia Works'' by Phoebe Ayers, Charles Matthews,
and Ben Yates (also available in [http://nostarch.com/howwikiworks.htm
print])
I once thought of doing a similar book myself, but i quickly saw I
could not do better.
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htt
rk it takes, is that a greater proportion of the people will
keep on trying. This applies not only to immature editors, but also to
people who wander in from the commercial or academic world where
expectations are different.
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O
an
that we get it right. I'd like to find a way to deal with this.
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On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Charles Matthews
wrote:
> Ryan Delaney wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 30
nces. For models, check CSD.
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On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:17 AM, Steve Bennett wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 11:32 AM, WereSpielChequers
> wrote:
>> The idea is to test the speedy deletion process with articles
of judging the benefits of their system
to be worth the possible exposure to , say, a possible future
totalitarian government.
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On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 8:33 AM, geni wrote:
> 2009/10/28 David Goodman :
>> From that blog,
ect,
or an official WMF project?
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A very good supplement to Google Scholar is Scirus, a free database
from Elsevier, which I suspect they made as a prototype for their very
expensive Scopus-- and as a way to promote it. http://www.scirus.com/
(disclosure: I'm on the Scirus Library Advisory Board)
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oes not require a formal library degree--many
people learn either by instruction or experience how to get it right
in their subjects)
3. I do not advise testing how far AGF gets us with or some of the
more hostile publishers in law and engineering.
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look harder for what one wants to find.
The only sort of search where this doesn't apply are the purely
mechanical ones that can be properly carried out by the current level
of artificial intelligence.
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On Sun, Oct 11,
If they are not in copyright, Open Libraries Intiiative and Google
Books are doing quite nicely;
David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S.
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On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 8:52 PM, stevertigo wrote:
>> David Goodman wrote:
>>> Quite apart from the incredible
hallenge of the library profession that we have not found a way to
get people to use any resources they are not thoroughly familiar with.
David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Ray Saintonge wrote:
> Gregory Maxwell wrote:
>>
Even looking for the search phrase
"portmanteau wikipedia" there are 1320 hits, almost all mirrors. A
great many sites simply search Wikipedia if they find nothing in their
own database, even just in order to show up in the results list no
matter what one searches,.
David Goodman, P
discourage those who might develop into editors on other topics also.
David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Charles Matthews
wrote:
> Gwern Branwen wrote:
>
> >Charles Matthews wrote
>>> Counterfactually, suppo
ivial. The deletion of improvable articles
because the small number of participants at AfD who are interested
and willing to rescue them is one of the reasons for people losing the
interest in Wikipedia. Who after all actually wants to come to
articles for deletion, but those who want to delete articl
il or
procedure connected with them if you are absolutely certain it will
help Wikipedia and not harm anything else. How we interpret the
rules is under the control of the community, but we need to be
responsible about it, and these are areas where we need to be
particularly cautious.
David Goodman, Ph
in a few minutes, and keep
the vandalism off them for those few minutes. But that's all that can
be expected of it
David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Surreptitiousn
us to do this without
violating WP:OR, not that we *ought* to. Given the detail of academic
sourcing in some subject, many Wikipedia articles could be ten times
their size. This is not always desirable.
David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG
On Wed, Sep 23, 200
many cases find the necessary material, based
entirely on secondary & tertiary sources. We could do even more: there
are book-length works based on specific periods in his life
(Kaminski's "Early career of Samuel Johnson"; Clifford's "Dictionary
Johnson : Samuel Johns
d with separate articles.
David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Charles Matthews
wrote:
> Surreptitiousness wrote:
>> Andrew Gray wrote:
>>
>>> I think we can easily distinguish, though; the
>>>
This is one of the things
provided for in the BLP compromise.
David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Charles Matthews
wrote:
> Thomas Dalton wrote:
>> 2009/9/21 Ray Saintonge :
>>
>>> The distinction to
The best practical way to audit admin actions is to become an admin
oneself. Admins have just as many conflicts among them as any other
active people here. There are people I watch, and people who watch me.
David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG
On Sat, Sep
s not help
build the encyclopedia--rather the authors should be guided towards
more fruitful subject matter.
David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Emily Monroe wrote:
>> I'm quite active at speedy deletion and often declin
ather have to learn any one thing, whether or not I dislike
it, than need to learn them all. I recognize of course that this tends
to inhibit experiment and improvement.
David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 7:44 AM, FT2 wrote:
> On
much less so if many people join in doing it,
which is why Wikipedia works in the first lpace.
David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Charles Matthews
wrote:
> David Goodman wrote:
>> " the overwhelming majority of sp
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