[WikiEN-l] Web/CC Edition of *Good Faith Collaboration*

2011-09-22 Thread Joseph Reagle
http://reagle.org/joseph/blog/social/wikipedia/gfc-web-cc-announce I'm pleased to announce that the Web/CC edition of *Good Faith Collaboration* is [now available]. In addition to all of the book's complete content, hypertextual goodness, and [fixed errata], there is a [new preface] discussing

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia and libraries

2011-02-08 Thread Joseph Reagle
On Tuesday, February 08, 2011, Carcharoth wrote: [Bit off-topic, but has anyone read that book?] Yes, here's my summary: Numerous Wikipedian vignettes and debates are used to explore issues including reliability, verifiability, neutrality, and criticism. Also includes historical parallels.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Hello world! (was Hello world?)

2011-01-14 Thread Joseph Reagle
On Friday, January 14, 2011, Thomas Dalton wrote: Sure, Jimmy is certainly capable of making mistakes, but unless there is evidence to suggest that he did it seems sensible to me to assume that he is correct. As you say, it's not a critical piece of information so we don't need to try and

[WikiEN-l] Hello world?

2011-01-13 Thread Joseph Reagle
I've seen both Wales and Gardner (e.g., [1]) note that Wikipedia began with Wales typing in Hello World. [1]: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/jan/12/wikipedia-internet That's a neat historical fact, but is there a source? From the Starling archive it appears the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Drake Bennett: Wikipedia ten years on

2011-01-10 Thread Joseph Reagle
On Monday, January 10, 2011, Tony Sidaway wrote: http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_03/b4211057979684.htm I'm curious about Wales calling Wikipedia a temple of the mind; that's some high-falutin verbiage! The earliest instance I can find is this Forbes article:

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wiki-research-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-21 Thread Joseph Reagle
On Tuesday, December 21, 2010, Tim Starling wrote: I don't think this is the right approach. The server would have sent a MIME type of text/html, which means that it's effectively CP1252. Yes, you are right, sticking with CP1252 does seem better. I've just updated 10K and many fewer diffs are

Re: [WikiEN-l] Eschatology and Wikipedia

2010-12-21 Thread Joseph Reagle
On Tuesday, December 21, 2010, Tony Sidaway wrote: Reading the references Joseph Reagle's book I encountered this: http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2006/12/wikipedia_will_1.htm Yes, I've been thinking that it would be neat to have an online debate or something over this, as I write in the

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-20 Thread Joseph Reagle
On Sunday, December 19, 2010, Martin Møller Skarbiniks Pedersen wrote: Should probably be København and not Křbenhavn Thanks Martin, that's evidence that there are still bugs, and that Python's Universal Encoding Detector is probabilistic! ___

Re: [WikiEN-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-15 Thread Joseph Reagle
On Tuesday, December 14, 2010, Tim Starling wrote: I didn't want to believe that those revisions had been lost forever, and I even opened the UseMod source code and stared forlornly at the unlink() call. What I (and Brion before) missed is that UseMod appends a record of every change made to

Re: [WikiEN-l] IPA issues

2010-04-21 Thread Joseph Reagle
On Wednesday 21 April 2010, Nathan wrote: What's the point of using a phonetic alphabet that 95% of our readership can't interpret? I've never been able to. I always hoped that the theory was that from the IPA, you could translate it into some scheme that would make sense in different

[WikiEN-l] A decent discussion of WP, history, Flagged Revision, etc.

2009-09-28 Thread Joseph Reagle
I've spoken with a lot of media folks about flagged revision of late. In one, I was told I'd be on at the last minute with a WP critic and never got the chance to correct the egregious errors in the intro segment (i.e., WP was hiring people to review the quality of articles.) That was

Re: [WikiEN-l] Jimmy Wales post on Huffington Post

2009-09-21 Thread Joseph Reagle
Wales writes: Previously, certain high profile and high risk biographies and other entries were kept locked to prevent vandalism by users who had not registered accounts on the site for a 'waiting period' of 4 days. The thing I'm curious about is this will be great openness in those 5,137

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikimedian image restorations exploited on eBay

2009-09-17 Thread Joseph Reagle
On Wednesday 16 September 2009, Steve Bennett wrote: Also, I'm confused. There is absolutely nothing at that page which would indicate to me that I wasn't entitled to do what that eBay seller did. It even says The right to use this work is granted to anyone for any purpose, without any

Re: [WikiEN-l] Imagine if Wikipedia was printed

2009-09-12 Thread Joseph Reagle
On Saturday 12 September 2009, Keith Old wrote: http://www.fun.chanun.com/funny-stuff/imagine-if-wikipedia-got-printed It'd be a lot bigger than that! That's not even the width of a basic multi-volume print encyclopedia. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list

[WikiEN-l] Examples of pro/paid content at Wikimedia?

2009-09-11 Thread Joseph Reagle
material form the 11th edition of Britannica and images now in Commons. ]] -- Regards, http://www.mit.edu/~reagle/ Joseph Reagle E0 D5 B2 05 B6 12 DA 65 BE 4D E3 C1 6A 66 25 4E ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [WikiEN-l] Putting some perspective on the end of Wikipedia

2009-09-08 Thread Joseph Reagle
On Friday 04 September 2009, Gwern Branwen wrote: Would it be possible for you to do a comparison with Wikipedia just before semiprotection was enabled? I've long wanted to know whether the argument that semiprotections would replace full protections holds any water. This would also seem to

[WikiEN-l] Putting some perspective on the end of Wikipedia

2009-09-04 Thread Joseph Reagle
One of the best responses to some of the hyperbole out there about the closing, failure, end of WP is the figure of how many articles are actually locked down in any way, however, this is a difficult figure to authoritatively find/claim. There's Main and Featured [1] of course, about 11

Re: [WikiEN-l] Putting some perspective on the end of Wikipedia

2009-09-04 Thread Joseph Reagle
On Friday 04 September 2009, Joseph Reagle wrote: One of the best responses to some of the hyperbole out there about the closing, failure, end of WP is the figure of how many articles are actually locked down in any way, however, this is a difficult figure to authoritatively find/claim

Re: [WikiEN-l] New York Times: Wikipedia to Limit Changes to Articles on People

2009-08-25 Thread Joseph Reagle
On Tuesday 25 August 2009, Andrew Turvey wrote: I had an interesting conversation with a senior BBC exec on this the other day. Apparently, their lawyers aren't sufficiently comfortable with the copyright violation checking on Wikimedia Commons to be able to rely on free photographs, so

[WikiEN-l] Who gets to flag? (BBC Newsnight tonight! re: flagged revs)

2009-08-25 Thread Joseph Reagle
On Tuesday 25 August 2009, Erik Moeller wrote: The FlaggedRevs extension has been used in many of our wikis, including the second-largest Wikipedia, for more than a year. However, contrary to what's been reported in some media, the community has had very thoughtful conversations about the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Three millionth article pool?

2009-08-11 Thread Joseph Reagle
On Wednesday 01 July 2009, Steve Bennett wrote: ::Archived at: http://marc.info/?i=b8ceeef70907012048r74142a7av7b8db293e005b...@mail.gmail.com There must be a page for predicting the three millionth article. I can't find it. Where is it? Sadly, there is none, but seeing that we're at

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia was founded for OR

2009-08-10 Thread Joseph Reagle
On Friday 07 August 2009, Charles Matthews wrote: The story about Kira fills in something Jimbo mentioned before, though. I gave up a while ago on thinking the early history of WP was something a historian could completely elucidate. This story adds another layer to the question of the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Comparing Wikipedia to other wikis

2009-07-24 Thread Joseph Reagle
Conservapedia is almost wholly a reaction against Wikipedia and describes differences: http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:How_Conservapedia_Differs_from_Wikipedia ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from

Re: [WikiEN-l] NY Times: Wired Editor Apologizes for Copying from Wikipedia in New Book

2009-06-25 Thread Joseph Reagle
On Thursday 25 June 2009, Charles Matthews wrote: My comment was written late at night. But I don't really understand why the author thought (a) permalinks are uncool, but (b) paraphrasing this WP stuff and passing it off as my own and copyright is clearly cool. And issues this as an

Re: [WikiEN-l] NY Times: Wired Editor Apologizes for Copying from Wikipedia in New Book

2009-06-25 Thread Joseph Reagle
On Thursday 25 June 2009, Charles Matthews wrote: [[TinyURL]], I would say. Do we take this into account in any advice how to cite Wikipedia? I would not make my references dependent upon a commercial service. (It's fine for Twitter in the short term, but what happens when they go under and

Re: [WikiEN-l] NY Times: Wired Editor Apologizes for Copying from Wikipedia in New Book

2009-06-25 Thread Joseph Reagle
On Thursday 25 June 2009, Andrew Gray wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_viewoldid=6042007 can be rendered as http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=6042007 Can we make that even more succinct? Well, we could take a leaf from the DOI playbook,

Re: [WikiEN-l] NY Times: Wired Editor Apologizes for Copying from Wikipedia in New Book

2009-06-25 Thread Joseph Reagle
On Thursday 25 June 2009, Angela wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/?oldid=6042007 also works. For book purposes, this is already shorter than most URLs, so shouldn't need to be shortened anymore which would remove information about where the link goes. I did not know that, that's great.

Re: [WikiEN-l] NY Times: Wired Editor Apologizes for Copying from Wikipedia in New Book

2009-06-25 Thread Joseph Reagle
On Thursday 25 June 2009, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Yes Joe but. Durova's point, with which I agree, is that they improperly cited their source. They lifted the picture *from* Wikipedia, and then cited the underlying source. This normally implies I actually went to the source and viewed the

Re: [WikiEN-l] NY Times: Wired Editor Apologizes for Copying from Wikipedia in New Book

2009-06-24 Thread Joseph Reagle
On Wednesday 24 June 2009, Durova wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sfearthquake3b.jpg This file says its in the public domain. [[ Permission (Reusing this image) Public domain ]] [[ This work is in the public domain in the United States because it is a work of the United States

Re: [WikiEN-l] NY Times: Wired Editor Apologizes for Copying from Wikipedia in New Book

2009-06-24 Thread Joseph Reagle
On Wednesday 24 June 2009, Charles Matthews wrote: Somewhat cynical: they thought they could just cite, looked at the GFDL and thought damn, doesn't work that way, and then just went ahead. Particularly ironic given the title and perhaps subject of the book.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Knol - Our first major scandel

2009-04-24 Thread Joseph Reagle
On Friday 24 April 2009, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Just in case anyone wants to gloat and say See them too... _http://knol.google.com/k/krishan-maggon/knol-site-metrics/3fy5eowy8suq3/42_ Knol is far inferior. Over 350 articles of suspect copyright infringement?! Please, that's about a month's

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikipedia-l] Wikipedia was foretold by Vannevar Bush

2009-03-23 Thread Joseph Reagle
Hi David, you can pick up on some of WP's ancestors in: http://reagle.org/joseph/2005/historical/digital-works.html This work (and attention on documentalists) is further developed in my dissertation, and book manuscript. Bush's contributions/prescience is exaggerated according to Michael

Re: [WikiEN-l] Sourcemonkeys

2009-03-13 Thread Joseph Reagle
On Thursday 12 March 2009, David Goodman wrote: But most people at Wikipedia have not even bothered to find out what their public or school library may already be paying for. Almost all of them buy at least some packages. As an example, this is what Brooklyn provides, just need your library

Re: [WikiEN-l] Suggestion on how referencing system could be improved

2008-12-04 Thread Joseph Reagle
On Thursday 04 December 2008, Carcharoth wrote: A popular approach? No offense, but isn't this just the way it should have been done all along? It is certainly the way many journals and books do it, and it is common sense. By which standard? Short notes with bibliography is not that common