Re: [WikiEN-l] Cuil launches CPedia.com, the robotically generated "encyclopedia".

2010-04-13 Thread MuZemike
Here's an example article from Cpedia about Barack Obama (basically, read and weep): http://www.cpedia.com/wiki?q=Barack+Obama After skimming over it really quickly (especially read the end), words cannot describe it as far as the tone of the article is concerned. -MuZemike On 4/13/20

[WikiEN-l] UIC Journal: Evaluating quality control of Wikipedia's feature[d] articles

2010-04-16 Thread MuZemike
/2721/2482 -MuZemike ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Citizendium dead?

2010-04-17 Thread MuZemike
;s that lack of flexibility that I believe has sunk Citizendium (and other online encyclopedias like Brittanica and Google Knol) long ago. -MuZemike On 4/17/2010 7:26 AM, David Gerard wrote: > On 17 April 2010 12:44, Eugene van der Pijll wrote: > > >> Using >> the CZ m

Re: [WikiEN-l] The New Look

2010-05-13 Thread MuZemike
earch box could easily be doubled. Other than those recent changes, both which came within the past 36 hours IIRC, I like vector as a whole. Looks more modern and crisp than monobook. -MuZemike ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins

2010-05-26 Thread MuZemike
), increased questioning of literally every decision made, increased criticism (general and specific) of adminship and administrators, higher RfA standards, etc. The list goes on. -MuZemike On 5/26/2010 6:34 PM, David Goodman wrote: > Are you saying that a _declining_ number of administrators mean

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of active EN wiki admins

2010-05-28 Thread MuZemike
. Of course, it can also be argued that disallowing such editing may indeed help in smart article creation by reducing the number of crap articles (I mean complete crap) that gets created. There is probably some tradeoff there in new page creation as far as anon creation is concerned. -Mu

Re: [WikiEN-l] Community ready for Pending Changes (nee Flagged Protection)?

2010-06-08 Thread MuZemike
guard despite the numerous on- and off-wiki discussions, watchlist notices, and anything short of having a bot send messages to all 12 million + registered users. -MuZemike On 6/8/2010 6:15 PM, K. Peachey wrote: > If you really want to know i the community is ready... why are posting > on the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Pending Changes: first press

2010-06-14 Thread MuZemike
Have there been any other media outlets, blogs, etc. who see Pending Changes as a "loosening of controls"? I haven't; perhaps I've been hanging around with the community too much who say it will be more restrictive than before :) -MuZemike On 6/14/2010 6:39 PM, Risker wrot

Re: [WikiEN-l] Pending Changes: first press

2010-06-15 Thread MuZemike
From NetworkWorld.com, which I'm not sure they're painting a more positive or more negative picutre of pending changes: http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/62518 -MuZemike On 6/14/2010 8:46 PM, Ian Woollard wrote: > On 15/06/2010, MuZemike wrote: > >> Hav

Re: [WikiEN-l] ZOMG Wikipedia is TERRORIST!!1!1!!!!

2010-07-25 Thread MuZemike
I think those "clueless" people out there (or those who are just plain ignorant) are beginning to know how exactly the "wheel" was invented. -MuZemike On 7/23/2010 7:49 PM, George Herbert wrote: > David - > > Please don't toss napalm on the fire. > > Than

Re: [WikiEN-l] Destructionism

2010-08-07 Thread MuZemike
rity of them hover around and devote all their time and energy to only a select few articles like Obama or heaven forbid Pikachu, for instance.) -MuZemike ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

[WikiEN-l] Superusers?

2010-08-19 Thread MuZemike
ers who aren't around anymore, dispute on procedures to grant this (i.e. simple request, "requests for adminship"-type voting, etc.) I'm throwing this out here to see what people would think. Any thoughts? -MuZemike ___ WikiEN-l mail

[WikiEN-l] Little edits or big edits in the mainspace?

2010-09-17 Thread MuZemike
As the title indicates, when working on articles, do you prefer making a bunch of small edits or one or a couple of big edits? Personally, I started out making lots of small edits, but lately I've been the opposite of that. -MuZemike ___ Wik

Re: [WikiEN-l] Help Beat Jimmy! (The appeal, that is....)

2010-10-06 Thread MuZemike
Is it me, or when I saw the word "focus group", I started to develop some bad feelings about this? -MuZemike On 10/5/2010 8:49 PM, Philippe Beaudette wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I wanted to take a moment to bring you up to date on the planning of > the 2010-2011 fundraiser,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Help Beat Jimmy! (The appeal, that is....)

2010-10-06 Thread MuZemike
e worst fighting games of all time, failing on many levels. That is why I am very wary and cautious about focus groups, as they tend to blindly serve their clientele instead of giving actual feedback on whatever their assessing. -MuZemike On 10/6/2010 3:24 PM, James Alexander wrote: >

Re: [WikiEN-l] Evaporative cooling in online communities

2010-10-12 Thread MuZemike
cepts tend to do better in a wiki environment (not just Wikipedia) than most others who do not. But this is coming from a person who specializes in building up already-existing articles over trying to create brand new articles from scratch. -MuZemike On 10/11/2010 1:51 PM, Gwern Branwen wrote:

Re: [WikiEN-l] Alleged Liberal Bias

2010-10-13 Thread MuZemike
So we got Conservapedia and some other conservative website accusing Wikipedia of having a liberal bias. What else is new, or what else are we to expect? -MuZemike On 10/13/2010 8:45 AM, Fred Bauder wrote: > Is there anything on this list: > > http://www.conserva

[WikiEN-l] Building a community or building an encyclopedia?

2010-10-15 Thread MuZemike
t; varies. That comes to my question regarding whether or not we are here to build an online community or an online encyclopedia. Should we focus outwards toward the reading/viewing audience, or should we focus inwards towards the editors? -MuZemike ___

Re: [WikiEN-l] The 12 most amazing (and useless) Wikipedia pages in the world

2010-10-21 Thread MuZemike
What? No "Toilet paper orientation"? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilet_paper_orientation Proof positive that Wikipedia is still going strong when we have weird articles like these. -MuZemike On 10/21/2010 2:36 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: > A list has been prepared by Alastair Pl

Re: [WikiEN-l] The Editor as Artist

2010-11-06 Thread MuZemike
ideo games!!!!! -MuZemike On 11/6/2010 6:28 AM, Fred Bauder wrote: >> On 05/11/2010 22:52, Carcharoth wrote: >>> On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 10:24 PM, Fred Bauder >>> wrote: >>> >>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/07/magazine/07FOB-medium-t.html >>&

Re: [WikiEN-l] What proportion of articles are stubs?

2010-11-29 Thread MuZemike
terminology); that is, our article on "Abraham Lincoln" contains much more verifiable information than, say, "Venezuela at the 2010 Pan American Games". -MuZemike On 11/29/2010 11:33 AM, Charles Matthews wrote: > Stubs and how to handle them seem to be controversial still (

Re: [WikiEN-l] What proportion of articles are stubs?

2010-11-29 Thread MuZemike
longer stubs. We need to keep that in mind when assigning a number or percentage of stubs on en.wiki, as the numbers will most certainly be off. -MuZemike On 11/29/2010 1:15 PM, Andrew Gray wrote: > On 29 November 2010 17:33, Charles Matthews > wrote: >> Stubs and how to handle the

Re: [WikiEN-l] What proportion of articles are stubs?

2010-11-29 Thread MuZemike
s the most efficient way to go. -MuZemike On 11/29/2010 2:50 PM, Andrew Gray wrote: > On 29 November 2010 20:42, Charles Matthews > wrote: > >> So does clicking "Random Article" and (gasp) judging for one's own self >> what is a stub produce a figure v

Re: [WikiEN-l] Use Wikipedia as a Marketing Tool

2010-12-07 Thread MuZemike
o right, and that's when the threats start flying. -MuZemike On 12/7/2010 10:31 AM, Fred Bauder wrote: > http://www.inc.com/managing/articles/201001/wikipedia.html > > '“Wikipedia is a complex culture, and sometimes it can feel like the free > encyclopedia everyone can edi

Re: [WikiEN-l] What proportion of articles are stubs?

2010-12-10 Thread MuZemike
[citation needed] -MuZemike On 12/9/2010 10:55 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: > On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 7:50 AM, Andrew Gray > wrote: >> On 29 November 2010 20:42, Charles Matthews >> wrote: >> >>> So does clicking "Random Article" and (gasp) judging for

Re: [WikiEN-l] Eschatology and Wikipedia

2010-12-21 Thread MuZemike
I thought I read somewhere that Rupert Murdoch seeks to shut down Wikipedia because of its "free information" threat to his and other similar media empires. -MuZemike On 12/21/2010 1:58 PM, Tony Sidaway wrote: > Since Wikipedia grew and became more ambitious in its scope, ther

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia is not a dictionary (was: Re: Old Wikipedia backups discovered)

2010-12-28 Thread MuZemike
conclude that we have come full-circle with regards to previous thread, which discussed briefly the dominance and level of "monopoly" Wikipedia has over the freely-editable portion of the Internet. -MuZemike On 12/28/2010 7:56 AM, Anthony wrote: > > Wikipedia makes a better

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia is not a dictionary (was: Re: Old Wikipedia backups discovered)

2010-12-29 Thread MuZemike
On 12/28/2010 9:40 PM, Anthony wrote: > On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 9:28 PM, MuZemike wrote: >> We must also take into account the popularity factor when it comes to >> comparing WMF wikis. It is obvious of the advantage Wikipedia has over >> all the other wikis in that is immen

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia is not a dictionary (was: Re: Old Wikipedia backups discovered)

2010-12-31 Thread MuZemike
This has always been the place for such (IMO, healthy) meta-discussion to occur, which what I think this is. -MuZemike On 12/31/2010 12:04 AM, quiddity wrote: > On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:58 PM, Anthony wrote: >> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 4:48 PM, quiddity wrote: >>> Also, it m

Re: [WikiEN-l] WYSIWTF

2011-01-02 Thread MuZemike
ch I did not touch, so consider this an early "bug report" of sorts :) -MuZemike On 12/29/2010 7:16 AM, Magnus Manske wrote: > I see three parts that will be required for a fully functional demo: > > 1. Conversion of wikitext into "HTMLized" code as input for a HTML e

Re: [WikiEN-l] Main page changes for 10th anniversary

2011-01-17 Thread MuZemike
uot;Jimmy Wales founded Wikipedia with Larry Sanger"); at least that was the vibes I received late Friday evening. -MuZemike On 1/14/2011 10:56 PM, Carcharoth wrote: > "Wikipedia is celebrating its tenth anniversary! To mark the occasion, > Wikipedia is showcasing content not norma

Re: [WikiEN-l] The WP Challenge: Healthy Collaboration

2011-01-18 Thread MuZemike
rt is also learning how to interact and socialize with other people who are not necessarily your family. -MuZemike On 1/18/2011 1:27 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: >> on 1/18/11 2:10 PM, Fred Bauder at fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: >> >>>> The importance to the individual of c

Re: [WikiEN-l] Eschatology and Wikipedia

2011-01-19 Thread MuZemike
Yeah, we suck. However, we must be doing *something* right, otherwise Wikipedia wouldn't have achieved the success it is currently enjoying. I think that was what Jimbo was referring to in his last interview with Jon Stewart on The Daily Show. -MuZemike On 1/19/2011 2:33 PM, George He

Re: [WikiEN-l] Analysis of 8 years of AfD discussions

2011-01-19 Thread MuZemike
ing admin) AfD gets somewhere between 70-100 new deletion discussions per day. -MuZemike On 1/19/2011 7:16 AM, Carcharoth wrote: > http://notabilia.net/ > > It is rather an impressive piece of analysis. Was wondering what others think. > > I found out about it from here: > &g

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia Leadership (was NY Times article on gender gap in Wikipedia contributors}

2011-02-03 Thread MuZemike
I'm sorry, but if I see somebody starting to source information from such tabloids you mentioned, especially information on biographies of living people regarding stuff that is not confirmed, there are going to be problems with me. -MuZemike On 2/3/2011 10:59 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: >

Re: [WikiEN-l] Maintaining and ensuring technical accuracy of articles?

2011-02-09 Thread MuZemike
y. (Note that I am not just talking about Wikipedia but most any wiki in general.) -MuZemike On 2/9/2011 1:30 PM, WereSpielChequers wrote: > Re Ian Woolard's query: > >> As the Wikipedia moves towards some arbitrary definition of notional >> 'completion',

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Foundation-l] Do you want to write pages that thousands of people see every day?

2011-02-22 Thread MuZemike
be moved to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Editing). -MuZemike ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] How to start a viable competitor to Wikipedia?

2011-04-07 Thread MuZemike
Perhaps I'm missing the point, but isn't that what we have been doing so far (i.e. with all the other sister Wikimedia projects)? -MuZemike On 4/7/2011 1:37 PM, Fajro wrote: > On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 3:26 PM, David Gerard wrote: > >> >> in the encyclopedia game? I s

Re: [WikiEN-l] How to start a viable competitor to Wikipedia?

2011-04-07 Thread MuZemike
Why does Conservapedia come to mind :) -MuZemike On 4/7/2011 7:03 PM, Ian Woollard wrote: > You should be careful what you wish for. It's not hard to make a > 'viable competitor' encyclopedia that would be so corrupt and > inaccurate it would make the Fox News net

Re: [WikiEN-l] The viable competitors to Wikipedia.

2011-04-08 Thread MuZemike
That wouldn't solve anything, except further draw a hard line and create an even larger rift between editors. If we strive to be an "open community" where we bring people together, then we would collectively be making it more closed by doing this. -MuZemike On 4/8/2011 1:26 PM

Re: [WikiEN-l] How to start a viable competitor to Wikipedia? Step 1 allow people to edit

2011-04-10 Thread MuZemike
e entire one-dimensional political spectrum. -MuZemike On 4/10/2011 9:21 PM, Ancient Apparition wrote: > Conservapedia seeks to rewrite history, it makes Convservative Christians > look like uninformed idiots, most Christians ALREADY KNOW that man did > land on the moon, the earth isn&#x

Re: [WikiEN-l] WikiLove Extension on Prototype

2011-06-25 Thread MuZemike
d when they *do* accomplish something genuine and good. -MuZemike On 6/24/2011 7:59 PM, Howie Fung wrote: > Hi all, > > We’re testing a new tool for expressing appreciation to other users and are > hoping that you’ll help test it and give us feedback. You can find a more > detailed ratio

Re: [WikiEN-l] Developer/Wiki relationship (was: Deployments today)

2011-07-03 Thread MuZemike
ly don't like change. Many times, the community in general does hold back many additional innovations the developers may come up with solely for the sake of "process". This article parallels such conflict between "process" and "development": http://radar.oreil

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Feedback - Ramp up to 10% of Articles

2011-07-14 Thread MuZemike
feedback system, as with all others, are not perfect and comes with systemic flaws. -MuZemike On 7/14/2011 7:56 AM, WereSpielChequers wrote: > Do we have stats yet that measure whether this is encouraging editing, > or diverting even more people from improving the pedia to critiquing >

Re: [WikiEN-l] (no subject)

2011-07-25 Thread MuZemike
I'm quite sure spam is not allowed here. Now if you excuse me, I got to go find a Canadian pharmacy that sells Cialis at low prices. -MuZemike On 7/25/2011 1:16 PM, Tony Sidaway wrote: > http://nudesportz.com/google.php > > ___ >

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Feedback - Ramp up to 10% of Articles

2011-07-28 Thread MuZemike
Hence the one comment on the Wikimedia blog article (http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/07/15/%E2%80%9Crate-this-page%E2%80%9D-is-coming-to-the-english-wikipedia/) about the survey poll: http://www.vizu.com//poll-results.html?n=138785 50.5% It will be griefed like YouTube comments. -MuZemike On

Re: [WikiEN-l] Outline articles

2011-09-08 Thread MuZemike
More powerful than Oversight, as well. -MuZemike On 9/8/2011 12:07 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: >> On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Andrew Gray >> wrote: >>> I don't think we've discussed the "outline of X" articles much on this >>> list, which surpri

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Autoconfirmed article creation trial

2011-09-13 Thread MuZemike
lopers "boldly" turn relatively minor features on without "community consensus", as seen at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29/Archive_90#Watchlist_emails . That is, people complain up and down about it. It is impossible to have everyone hap

Re: [WikiEN-l] Difficulty making structural changes to WP due to human nature?

2011-09-17 Thread MuZemike
" may not also be desirable, especially if the results may be close to 50-50, because you then alienate too much of the community that way. -MuZemike On 9/17/2011 3:54 PM, Alan Liefting wrote: > Is it just me or do others find it difficult to instigate any sort of > changes to p

Re: [WikiEN-l] Slashdot trolling phenomena

2011-10-06 Thread MuZemike
le=Kevin_Spacey&diff=298662379&oldid=298662328. http://kevin.spacey.mediafetcher.com/news/top_stories/actor_st_tropez.php http://justin.bieber.mediafetcher.com/news/top_stories/actor_st_tropez.php http://david.guetta.mediafetcher.com/news/top_stories/actor_st_tropez.php -MuZemike On 10/6/2011

Re: [WikiEN-l] Point me to discussions with newcomers about notability?

2011-10-10 Thread MuZemike
could be extended to any open wiki) is ultimately a communal effort with individualist aspects; proper balance between the two key aspects need to be maintained in order for the wiki to remain open to those to edit. -MuZemike On 10/10/2011 9:23 AM, petr skupa wrote: > Boldness > > In

Re: [WikiEN-l] Point me to discussions with newcomers about notability?

2011-10-12 Thread MuZemike
plete, there are always going to be opportunities to expand existing articles - many of them that are still stubs. I don't know of any good way in which to guide newcomers towards that direction, though, especially in a "come-and-go"-type environment such as this. -MuZemike On 10/1

Re: [WikiEN-l] Tag removals by readers (was: Newbie recruitment: referencing)

2011-11-03 Thread MuZemike
atabase reports tend to get neglected also. -MuZemike On 11/3/2011 12:58 PM, Carcharoth wrote: > That's a good idea as well, though some might see it as trampling on > the stuff swept under the rug (making it less visible). But you are > right that some backlogs don't re

Re: [WikiEN-l] Why Wikipedia Is Important.

2011-11-27 Thread MuZemike
Taken straight from the novel Lord of the Flies, I am sure :) -MuZemike On 11/27/2011 8:32 AM, Ken Arromdee wrote: > On Sun, 27 Nov 2011, Ken Arromdee wrote: >>> Without knowledge, myths are born. With myths, fear is born. With fear, >>> intolerance is born. With intoleran

Re: [WikiEN-l] Arcade screenshot resolutions and fair use

2012-07-03 Thread MuZemike
e you cited is a bit too high, but not by much.) or at least to the maximum size default for thumbnails that can be set on "My preferences", which is 300px. Needless to say, usage in the article plays a big part in inclusion, as well. -MuZemike On 7/3/2012 6:21 PM, Ken Arromdee w