[WikiEN-l] Accessibility of technical articles

2011-02-17 Thread Carcharoth
There has been some interesting debate on the site about technical articles. There has been some (fairly heated) discussion here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:FAC#Some_thoughts_from_an_FA-newbie (That discussion is mostly over, so best not to stir it up again). And more here:

Re: [WikiEN-l] Accessibility of technical articles

2011-02-17 Thread Carcharoth
To take the Poincare conjecture example, compare the Wikipedia article to this accessible explanation. Should the Wikipedia article incorporate explanatory aspects similar to those used in the SEED magazine article? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poincar%C3%A9_conjecture

Re: [WikiEN-l] Accessibility of technical articles

2011-02-17 Thread Fred Bauder
This is typical sophomoric writing, sometimes literally done by 2nd year students, actual sophomores. It is not limited to math; my particular pet peeve is our philosophy articles. A skilled teacher with years of experience teaching at the college level can often make such subjects much more

Re: [WikiEN-l] Accessibility of technical articles

2011-02-17 Thread Carcharoth
Actually, I think the point of the mathematics articles, is that many of them (especially the more advanced ones) are written and used by practising mathematicians. See the comment here:

Re: [WikiEN-l] Accessibility of technical articles

2011-02-17 Thread David Gerard
On 17 February 2011 14:16, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: So some might object to your use of the term sophomore, but the rest I agree with. You need people who have experience explaining things to make things like that accessible, but I would suggest technical writers and

Re: [WikiEN-l] Accessibility of technical articles

2011-02-17 Thread Carcharoth
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 3:15 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 February 2011 14:16, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: So some might object to your use of the term sophomore, but the rest I agree with. You need people who have experience explaining things to make

Re: [WikiEN-l] Accessibility of technical articles

2011-02-17 Thread Charles Matthews
On 17/02/2011 13:19, Carcharoth wrote: To take the Poincare conjecture example, compare the Wikipedia article to this accessible explanation. Should the Wikipedia article incorporate explanatory aspects similar to those used in the SEED magazine article?

Re: [WikiEN-l] Accessibility of technical articles

2011-02-17 Thread Carcharoth
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: On 17/02/2011 13:19, Carcharoth wrote: To take the Poincare conjecture example, compare the Wikipedia article to this accessible explanation. Should the Wikipedia article incorporate explanatory aspects

Re: [WikiEN-l] Accessibility of technical articles

2011-02-17 Thread Fred Bauder
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 3:15 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 February 2011 14:16, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: So some might object to your use of the term sophomore, but the rest I agree with. You need people who have experience explaining things to make

Re: [WikiEN-l] Accessibility of technical articles

2011-02-17 Thread David Gerard
On 17 February 2011 17:09, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: Hmm. Tricky one. Would you put a link to that magazine article in the external links? It might be missing the point, but it does give a different perspective and a less dry one. Something technical but right is 100%

Re: [WikiEN-l] Accessibility of technical articles

2011-02-17 Thread Ian Woollard
On 17 February 2011 17:52, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: That said, the trouble with obsessive nerds who want things 100% right is that articles become hideous unreadable thickets of subclauses. But then, research appears to be a more widely available skill than good writing. Or is

Re: [WikiEN-l] Accessibility of technical articles

2011-02-17 Thread Charles Matthews
On 17/02/2011 17:09, Carcharoth wrote: On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: On 17/02/2011 13:19, Carcharoth wrote: To take the Poincare conjecture example, compare the Wikipedia article to this accessible explanation. Should the Wikipedia

Re: [WikiEN-l] Accessibility of technical articles

2011-02-17 Thread Carl (CBM)
Here is my attempt at a historical explanation for the way things are at the moment. First, mathematicians in general are often reluctant to say things that are mostly right but formally incorrect. It's part of the culture of the field, which was reinforced by a certain writing style that became