[WikiEN-l] Front Page on BLPs

2011-08-23 Thread Tony Sidaway
Here is an interesting article by David Swindle of Front Page, about Wikipedia's problems with biographies of living persons. Swindle sees it in terms of a persistent left wing bias. I won't pretend to agree with everything he says--it is not helpful to compare Michael Moore to Ann Coulter or Keit

[WikiEN-l] Front Page on BLPs

2011-08-23 Thread Daniel R. Tobias
On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 12:11:41 +0100, wikien-l-Tony Sidaway wrote: > Here is an interesting article by David Swindle of Front Page, about > Wikipedia's problems with biographies of living persons. Swindle sees it in > terms of a persistent left wing bias. And (at least when I went there) it plays a

Re: [WikiEN-l] Front Page on BLPs

2011-08-23 Thread Thomas Morton
It's always sad to see this cast as a left/right thing - or "Wikipedia has a liberal bias". We equally have huge problems with right wing agenda's on some articles. And most of the BLP issues aren't related to politics, but to all manner of "sides" (sexuality,political,ethnic,historical and those a

Re: [WikiEN-l] Front Page on BLPs

2011-08-23 Thread WereSpielChequers
Hmm nice that he's not entirely relying on the Siegenthaler incident and has quoted something beyond 2007. But his reliance on a 2009 Daily Mail story about 20,000 editors vetting changes via flagged revisions http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1208941/Free-edit-Wikipedia-appoints-volunteer-ed

Re: [WikiEN-l] Front Page on BLPs

2011-08-23 Thread Fred Bauder
> It's always sad to see this cast as a left/right thing - or "Wikipedia > has a > liberal bias". We equally have huge problems with right wing agenda's on > some articles. And most of the BLP issues aren't related to politics, but > to > all manner of "sides" (sexuality,political,ethnic,historical

Re: [WikiEN-l] Front Page on BLPs

2011-08-23 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Tue, 23 Aug 2011, WereSpielChequers wrote: > As for the Che Guevara article, as well as detailing his marital > infidelities it describes him as "feared for his brutality and ruthlessness" > and details why. The complaint isn't that it says nothing bad whatsoever about him, it's more like a co

Re: [WikiEN-l] Front Page on BLPs

2011-08-23 Thread Tom Morris
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 13:58, WereSpielChequers wrote: > Hmm nice that he's not entirely relying on the Siegenthaler incident and has > quoted something beyond 2007. But his reliance on a 2009 Daily Mail story > about 20,000 editors vetting changes via flagged revisions > http://www.dailymail.co.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Front Page on BLPs

2011-08-23 Thread Charles Matthews
On 23/08/2011 12:11, Tony Sidaway wrote: > Here is an interesting article by David Swindle of Front Page, about > Wikipedia's problems with biographies of living persons. Swindle sees it in > terms of a persistent left wing bias. > > I won't pretend to agree with everything he says--it is not helpf

Re: [WikiEN-l] Front Page on BLPs

2011-08-23 Thread Thomas Morton
> > For those who professionally seek attention, > You know; rather than political bias, or political editing, this is probably the root cause of problems in the specific articles he highlights. Not that I'd call it "their own damn fault", but they are in those situations deliberately. Tom

Re: [WikiEN-l] Front Page on BLPs

2011-08-23 Thread Ken Arromdee
On Tue, 23 Aug 2011, Charles Matthews wrote: > But "bias" of the kind he works with is a really unhelpful concept for > us, in practice: especially when trivialised by being "metricated". What other way is there to claim bias than being "metricated"? Is he just supposed to give his subjective opi

Re: [WikiEN-l] Front Page on BLPs

2011-08-23 Thread WereSpielChequers
Well rather than quote some percentage figures you could take the tack I did with the Che Guevara article and actually look at what negative things were covered. The sort of percentage system that Swindle used is highly misleading, nine sentences about why someone came to believe something followed

Re: [WikiEN-l] Front Page on BLPs

2011-08-24 Thread Charles Matthews
On 23/08/2011 19:54, Ken Arromdee wrote: > On Tue, 23 Aug 2011, Charles Matthews wrote: >> But "bias" of the kind he works with is a really unhelpful concept for >> us, in practice: especially when trivialised by being "metricated". > > What other way is there to claim bias than being "metricated"?

Re: [WikiEN-l] Front Page on BLPs

2011-09-01 Thread Tony Sidaway
On 23 August 2011 12:11, Tony Sidaway wrote: > > Here is an interesting article by David Swindle of Front Page, about > Wikipedia's problems with biographies of living persons. Swindle sees it in > terms of a persistent left wing bias. ... > > http://frontpagemag.com/2011/08/23/how-the-left-conq

Re: [WikiEN-l] Front Page on BLPs

2011-09-01 Thread Thomas Morton
He touches on some issues. We could probably quite easily counter them with examples of right wing or conservative material that gets POV bombed. Some of the bio's he is stretching the issue to be sure; perhaps more analysis of events in these peoples life could be recorded (and certainly those ar

Re: [WikiEN-l] Front Page on BLPs

2011-09-02 Thread Tony Sidaway
I suppose I feel that some of his basic points do apply across the wiki, when applied to articles that have been taken into ownership. A recent rather disturbing case made some waves in Conservative (British Conservative, that is) newspapers and magazines. One editor had been systematically pruning