Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Article metadata separation from main wikitext

2009-09-23 Thread Gwern Branwen
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Gwern Branwen gwe...@gmail.com wrote: Now we can {{note|foo}}^W^W{{r|foo}} like it's 2005! But seriously, I find this discouraging - a sign of dysfunctionality. All the work put in to

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Article metadata separation from main wikitext

2009-09-23 Thread Surreptitiousness
Gwern Branwen wrote: On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Gwern Branwen gwe...@gmail.com wrote: Now we can {{note|foo}}^W^W{{r|foo}} like it's 2005! But seriously, I find this discouraging - a sign of

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Article metadata separation from main wikitext

2009-09-23 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:31 PM, Surreptitiousness surreptitious.wikiped...@googlemail.com wrote: [[Wikipedia:Footnote3]] explains it all.  I can't work out the difference, except maybe it took Dragons flight a lot of work to give us what we already had? Interesting. I'm not sure why we

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Article metadata separation from main wikitext

2009-09-23 Thread Steve Bennett
Just having a quick look at where these templates are still used, and I see some novel uses: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigard,_Oregon#Government Here they're not being used for referencing, but to create specific footnotes for a specific section. Steve

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Article metadata separation from main wikitext

2009-09-22 Thread Steve Bennett
Apparently the new cool thing to do is {{r|foo}} rather than ref name=foo /. Works for me. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Article metadata separation from main wikitext

2009-09-22 Thread Gwern Branwen
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently the new cool thing to do is {{r|foo}} rather than ref name=foo /. Works for me. Now we can {{note|foo}}^W^W{{r|foo}} like it's 2005! But seriously, I find this discouraging - a sign of dysfunctionality. All

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Article metadata separation from main wikitext

2009-09-18 Thread Charles Matthews
Steve Bennett wrote: Learnt about this the standard way knowledge about wiki syntax proliferates: diffs. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gippsland_Lakes_Discovery_Traildiff=314633894oldid=314622174 Yes, good, but {{reflist}} is also progress and needs to be made compatible.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Article metadata separation from main wikitext

2009-09-18 Thread stevertigo
2009/9/18 Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com: Yes, good, but {{reflist}} is also progress and needs to be made compatible. David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Shirley {{reflist}} should be made options for references. Does it do anything other than pretty formatting? Agree

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Article metadata separation from main wikitext

2009-09-18 Thread John Doe
Im working on a toolserver based tool if anyone would be interested. Im doing some basic parsing now. On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:10 PM, stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/18 Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com: Yes, good, but {{reflist}} is also progress and needs to be

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Article metadata separation from main wikitext

2009-09-18 Thread George Herbert
Out of curiosity ... Do we have to allow nested refs? Would it be better to un-nest them? Stylistically I think it's preferred not to do that. Or at least, un-nest them to the extent of moving the body of ref B outside the body of ref A, and replacing with a named ref callout to B? refA ref B

[WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Article metadata separation from main wikitext

2009-09-17 Thread David Gerard
Hey kids! Sort out those BLOODY INSANE ref tags in the text! (Something to add to AutoWikiBrowser for sure ...) - d. -- Forwarded message -- From: Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com Date: 2009/9/18 Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Article metadata separation from main wikitext To:

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Article metadata separation from main wikitext

2009-09-17 Thread geni
2009/9/18 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: Hey kids! Sort out those BLOODY INSANE ref tags in the text! (Something to add to AutoWikiBrowser for sure ...) this is going to create issues with {{reflist}} no? -- geni ___ WikiEN-l mailing list

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Article metadata separation from main wikitext

2009-09-17 Thread David Gerard
2009/9/18 geni geni...@gmail.com: 2009/9/18 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: Hey kids! Sort out those BLOODY INSANE ref tags in the text! (Something to add to AutoWikiBrowser for sure ...) this is going to create issues with {{reflist}} no? _ There's always one, isn't there ... Fixing

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Article metadata separation from main wikitext

2009-09-17 Thread David Gerard
2009/9/18 geni geni...@gmail.com: 2009/9/18 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: Hey kids! Sort out those BLOODY INSANE ref tags in the text! (Something to add to AutoWikiBrowser for sure ...) this is going to create issues with {{reflist}} no? I've noted possible problems with {{reflist}} in

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Article metadata separation from main wikitext

2009-09-17 Thread Soxred93
Maybe have something like this: {{reflist|begin}} becomes references {{reflist|end}} becomes /references {{reflist}} says as references / -X! On Sep 17, 2009, at 7:55 PM, David Gerard wrote: 2009/9/18 geni geni...@gmail.com: 2009/9/18 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: Hey kids! Sort out

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Article metadata separation from main wikitext

2009-09-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Soxred93 soxre...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe have something like this: {{reflist|begin}} becomes references {{reflist|end}} becomes /references {{reflist}} says as references / That's a bit ugly but doable. You might as well just make it {{reflist-begin}}

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Article metadata separation from main wikitext

2009-09-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Soxred93 soxre...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe have something like this: {{reflist|begin}} becomes references {{reflist|end}} becomes /references {{reflist}} says as references / That's a

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Article metadata separation from main wikitext

2009-09-17 Thread David Gerard
2009/9/18 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: More parameters to references / is probably the right way to go: Undoubtedly. {{reflist}} has many thousands of transclusions; surely enough to rate software support. Go file a bug, or just code it ;-) - d.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Article metadata separation from main wikitext

2009-09-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Oic, it's actually {{refbegin}} and {{refend}}. Or alternatively: {{reflist|refs= ref ../ref }} Learnt about this the standard way knowledge about wiki syntax proliferates: diffs.