Re: [WikiEN-l] Lists and redlinks and link maintenance

2009-08-06 Thread Charles Matthews
Bod Notbod wrote: So you quite commonly see people attributing a musical genre to a band that other people disagree with, and some anonymous users have a fine old time changing 5 articles per minute to state their FAVOURITE genre simply *must* apply to every band they like, regardless of the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Lists and redlinks and link maintenance

2009-08-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Carcharothcarcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: Only three of those 24 articles, in my opinion, have moved much beyond being a single line article or a few lines at most, even though impeccably referenced. You might say go and help expand those articles (and I

Re: [WikiEN-l] Lists and redlinks and link maintenance

2009-08-06 Thread Carcharoth
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Steve Bennettstevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Carcharothcarcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: Only three of those 24 articles, in my opinion, have moved much beyond being a single line article or a few lines at most, even though

Re: [WikiEN-l] Lists and redlinks and link maintenance

2009-08-06 Thread Andrew Gray
2009/8/5 Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com: Another thing which is rather more than annoying is that plenty of quite unreferenced information is now placed in WP using these big templates-as-surrogate-lists. To tie this into the BLP thread, and give an example:

Re: [WikiEN-l] Lists and redlinks and link maintenance

2009-08-05 Thread Andrew Gray
2009/8/5 Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com: Doesn't just removing the links from the templates altogether (and then putting them back) do the trick as well? I suppose that might annoy some people... You could do that, but this way guarantees that if you get sidetracked half way through

Re: [WikiEN-l] Lists and redlinks and link maintenance

2009-08-05 Thread Charles Matthews
Carcharoth wrote The annoying thing about some of these redlinks, is that when you go looking for other pages where they are linked from, you run into problems if they are linked from a template. Another thing which is rather more than annoying is that plenty of quite unreferenced

Re: [WikiEN-l] Lists and redlinks and link maintenance

2009-08-05 Thread Bod Notbod
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:33 PM, Charles Matthewscharles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: To be fair, many lists are somewhat unreferenced. But of course you can add references to lists, and annotate them generally. There is no way such templates are ever going to offer verification. Hmm. I

Re: [WikiEN-l] Lists and redlinks and link maintenance

2009-08-05 Thread Carcharoth
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Bod Notbodbodnot...@gmail.com wrote: snip I notice that some people now are adding refs to 'genre' tags now, to thwart the genre trolls. Not that that required any technical fiddling, but I'm just saying in passing. Genre tags? Genre trolls? Carcharoth

Re: [WikiEN-l] Lists and redlinks and link maintenance

2009-08-05 Thread Bod Notbod
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Carcharothcarcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: I notice that some people now are adding refs to 'genre' tags now, to thwart the genre trolls. Not that that required any technical fiddling, but I'm just saying in passing. Genre tags? Genre trolls? I use the word

Re: [WikiEN-l] Lists and redlinks and link maintenance

2009-08-04 Thread Charles Matthews
Carcharoth wrote: snip I seem to have let my keyboard run away with me there. Sorry! :-) It is interesting, though, to speculate whether there is a mature dynamic that is or should be taking over. There would be a few different sides: - (focus on metrics) Article count - average length -

Re: [WikiEN-l] Lists and redlinks and link maintenance

2009-08-04 Thread Carcharoth
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Magnus Manskemagnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:42 AM, Carcharothcarcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Pauling_Award PS. The one thing I'm very bad at:

Re: [WikiEN-l] Lists and redlinks and link maintenance

2009-08-04 Thread Carcharoth
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Carcharothcarcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Pauling_Award PPS. Someone told me, months ago, how to set things up so that disambiguation page links show up in a different colour to ordinary links (plus redirects showing up

Re: [WikiEN-l] Lists and redlinks and link maintenance

2009-08-04 Thread Magnus Manske
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Carcharothcarcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Carcharothcarcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Pauling_Award PPS. Someone told me, months ago, how to set things up so that disambiguation page

Re: [WikiEN-l] Lists and redlinks and link maintenance

2009-08-04 Thread Emily Monroe
The navboxes would be so much better if they didn't pollute what links here. I personally like navboxes. I usually use what links here to check if an article is orphaned or not. What do you use it for? Emily On Aug 4, 2009, at 6:26 AM, Carcharoth wrote: On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 11:35 AM,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Lists and redlinks and link maintenance

2009-08-04 Thread Carcharoth
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Emily Monroebluecalioc...@me.com wrote: The navboxes would be so much better if they didn't pollute what links here. I personally like navboxes. I usually use what links here to check if an article is orphaned or not. What do you use it for? To see what

Re: [WikiEN-l] Lists and redlinks and link maintenance

2009-08-04 Thread David Goodman
High time we left these off the whatlinkshere page, if technically feasible. It would be the first step towards presenting the page in a usable fashion, such as alphabetically. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:34 PM,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Lists and redlinks and link maintenance

2009-08-04 Thread Emily Monroe
Consider the case where the *only* links in what links here are due to being in a navbox template. The article would appear to be linked from many articles, but it would not be linked from anywhere (or very few places) in *real* text in other articles. Now do you see the problem I'm getting

Re: [WikiEN-l] Lists and redlinks and link maintenance

2009-08-04 Thread Andrew Gray
2009/8/4 Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com: In other words, I like using what links here to find out when something is mentioned in the article *text*, rather than when it is merely mentioned in a navbox template. One of the problems though is that links from an *infobox* are more

Re: [WikiEN-l] Lists and redlinks and link maintenance

2009-08-04 Thread Carcharoth
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 1:30 AM, Andrew Grayandrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: 2009/8/4 Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com: In other words, I like using what links here to find out when something is mentioned in the article *text*, rather than when it is merely mentioned in a navbox

Re: [WikiEN-l] Lists and redlinks and link maintenance

2009-08-03 Thread Charles Matthews
Carcharoth wrote: Anyway, what I wanted to know was whether there are places on Wikipedia where such approaches to lists and checking links is documented? I do remember something about various lists of entries from places like the DNB. Ah here we are:

Re: [WikiEN-l] Lists and redlinks and link maintenance

2009-08-03 Thread Carcharoth
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Charles Matthewscharles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Carcharoth wrote: Anyway, what I wanted to know was whether there are places on Wikipedia where such approaches to lists and checking links is documented? I do remember something about various lists of

Re: [WikiEN-l] Lists and redlinks and link maintenance

2009-08-03 Thread Charles Matthews
Carcharoth wrote: Where is the current activity on the DNB project? It's something I had kept in mind and wouldn't mind getting involved with at some stage. It's supposedly organised around [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/DNB]]. Being just a subproject of the missing

Re: [WikiEN-l] Lists and redlinks and link maintenance

2009-08-03 Thread Carcharoth
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Charles Matthewscharles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Carcharoth wrote: Where is the current activity on the DNB project? It's something I had kept in mind and wouldn't mind getting involved with at some stage. It's supposedly organised around

Re: [WikiEN-l] Lists and redlinks and link maintenance

2009-08-03 Thread Charles Matthews
Carcharoth wrote: Picking a page from here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:DNBFooter I can't quite see which of the lists need work, but I'll just pick any one with out the ticks and stuff on them, and start work there. Any way to mark one of the 63 pages when it is finished?

Re: [WikiEN-l] Lists and redlinks and link maintenance

2009-08-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Carcharothcarcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: One of the annoying things is that sometimes you can have a grouping of possible titles and possble redirects (e.g. A. Other, Any Other, A. M. Other, Any Middle Other, Any Other (disambiguator), and so on), and

Re: [WikiEN-l] Lists and redlinks and link maintenance

2009-08-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Charles Matthewscharles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: visible fashion. It's around 30,000 links to do, doesn't matter so much where people plunge in (check page history to see if someone else is active(. Now that I have discovered [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia 1.0]]

Re: [WikiEN-l] Lists and redlinks and link maintenance

2009-08-03 Thread Ray Saintonge
Carcharoth wrote: Edmund Arrowsmith Eww: ...executed for taking order of priesthood beyond the seas. His hand is preserved as a relic at Ashton, Newton-le- Willows. 1628: A sign of the times. More surprising was a Catholic priest of the period that I worked on; he managed to go on for

Re: [WikiEN-l] Lists and redlinks and link maintenance

2009-08-03 Thread Carcharoth
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Steve Bennettstevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Carcharothcarcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: One of the annoying things is that sometimes you can have a grouping of possible titles and possble redirects (e.g. A. Other, Any Other, A. M.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Lists and redlinks and link maintenance

2009-08-03 Thread Carcharoth
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:16 AM, Carcharothcarcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: snip 1) For James Learmonth Gowans, there is a redlink for James L. Gowan on this template: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Wolf_Prize_in_Medicine Now created as a redirect.

[WikiEN-l] Lists and redlinks and link maintenance

2009-08-02 Thread Carcharoth
I recently created three lists of winners of scientific awards, partly because it needed doing, partly to see how good our coverage is now (and how many articles remain to be written in such fields) and partly to take a more systematic approach to checking links.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Lists and redlinks and link maintenance

2009-08-02 Thread Samuel Klein
This is a nice writeup. It would make a good addition to the lists discussion page you link. An essay on this that ties into other ways to convert reliable datasources into pages via a list-creation step (sometimes resulting in a list, sometimes resulting in a topic outline, and sometimes