Re: [WikiEN-l] Long-term searchability of the internet

2011-01-19 Thread Charles Matthews
On 19/01/2011 00:05, Tony Sidaway wrote: On 18 January 2011 10:56, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: On 17/01/2011 15:30, Tony Sidaway wrote: I suppose my problem here is understanding how the discussion goes fromthe useful part of the web is expanding faster than we

Re: [WikiEN-l] Long-term searchability of the internet

2011-01-18 Thread Tony Sidaway
On 18 January 2011 10:56, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: On 17/01/2011 15:30, Tony Sidaway wrote: I suppose my problem here is understanding how the discussion goes fromthe useful part of the web is expanding faster than we can keep up  tothere is a problem with this.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Long-term searchability of the internet

2011-01-17 Thread Charles Matthews
On 16/01/2011 23:46, Tony Sidaway wrote: We don't need to be able to find every single thing on the internet, only the useful stuff. A huge amount of the useful stuff is on Wikipedia. This is true, but not particularly objective. The OP's question itself has merit. The long-term view surely

Re: [WikiEN-l] Long-term searchability of the internet

2011-01-17 Thread Carcharoth
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: On 16/01/2011 23:46, Tony Sidaway wrote:   We don't need to be able to find every single thing on the internet, only the useful stuff.  A huge amount of the useful stuff is on Wikipedia. This is true,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Long-term searchability of the internet

2011-01-17 Thread Tony Sidaway
I suppose my problem here is understanding how the discussion goes from the useful part of the web is expanding faster than we can keep up to there is a problem with this. On deep and semantic web, these are useful concepts that will help us to develop more capable data mining tools, but not

Re: [WikiEN-l] Long-term searchability of the internet

2011-01-16 Thread Carcharoth
On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Ian Woollard ian.wooll...@gmail.com wrote: On 15/01/2011, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: To take a specific example, I very occasionally come across names of people or topics where it is next-to-impossible to find out anything meaningful about

Re: [WikiEN-l] Long-term searchability of the internet

2011-01-16 Thread Newyorkbrad
Interesting thread and questions. A related question though is whether unfettered eternal searchability of the Internet is unambiguously a good thing. Take the types of BLP, privacy, etc. issues we deal with everyday on Wikipedia, and extrapolate them to the rest of the 'net Newyorkbrad On

Re: [WikiEN-l] Long-term searchability of the internet

2011-01-16 Thread Tony Sidaway
I think the point is being missed. Wikipedia does not set out to manipulate search engine results, that's just a happy accident of its content being pretty good and many search engines weighting its content appropriately. We make the internet not suck by putting the information on our website,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Long-term searchability of the internet

2011-01-15 Thread Ian Woollard
On 15/01/2011, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: To take a specific example, I very occasionally come across names of people or topics where it is next-to-impossible to find out anything meaningful about them because the name is identical to that of someone else. Sometimes this is

[WikiEN-l] Long-term searchability of the internet

2011-01-14 Thread Carcharoth
(Following on from another thread) I have a theory that Wikipedia makes only *part* of the Internet not suck. Wikipedians aggregate online knowledge (and offline as well, but let's stick to online here), thus making it easier to find information about something, especially when there are lots of

Re: [WikiEN-l] Long-term searchability of the internet

2011-01-14 Thread David Gerard
On 15 January 2011 04:41, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: To take a specific example, I very occasionally come across names of people or topics where it is next-to-impossible to find out anything meaningful about them because the name is identical to that of someone else.