Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

2010-03-30 Thread David Goodman
If you want a higher level, 90% of the present members of the US National Academy of Engineering do not have articles. More than one thing seems a weird standard, in my opinion. An athlete wouldnt be notable unless also a movie star? But perhaps you mean elected twice to their legislature? I do

Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

2010-03-30 Thread geni
On 30 March 2010 18:16, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: If you want a higher level, 90% of the present members of the US National Academy of Engineering do not have articles. More than one thing seems a weird standard, in my opinion. To be expected it was invented by the BLP mob.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

2010-03-30 Thread Carcharoth
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 6:23 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 30 March 2010 18:16, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: If you want a higher level, 90% of the present members of the US National Academy of Engineering do not have articles. More than one thing seems a weird standard,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

2010-03-30 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 6:23 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 30 March 2010 18:16, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: If you want a higher level, 90% of the present members of the US National Academy of

Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

2010-03-30 Thread Carcharoth
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 6:23 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 30 March 2010 18:16, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

2010-03-30 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 8:16 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 6:23 PM, geni

Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

2010-03-30 Thread David Goodman
It did evolve from that, and it made very good sense in that context, to avoid having the name of a victim given undue unfortunate prominence. It makes sense in some other BLP contexts also, but its expansion to a general rule is what was absurd. BLP1E should, in my opinion, have been confined to

Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

2010-03-29 Thread geni
On 29 March 2010 03:55, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: Even for the US, about 80% of the members of state legislatures historically are not covered. For the current Michigan House of Representatives, only 50% of the current members have articles, and almost none of the earlier ones.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

2010-03-29 Thread Carcharoth
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 7:08 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 March 2010 03:55, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: snip If the other Wikipedias did similarly full coverage of their home countries and we translated the articles, there would probably be potential for an order of

Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

2010-03-29 Thread David Goodman
Within any state, any public library will be able to assist sufficiently on their own state's legislature. Even for those who don't like libraries, GBooks probably will in the next few years scan all local newspapers for pre-1920 (they have quite a lot already), what information for that period

Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

2010-03-29 Thread David Gerard
On 29 March 2010 19:43, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: Within any state, any public library will be able to assist sufficiently on their  own state's legislature. Much of it isn't online and photocopies remain way pricey. Do libraries generally throw people out for getting out

Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

2010-03-29 Thread geni
On 29 March 2010 19:18, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: How so? Number of countries is 193 (roughly), but even if you factor in the fact that some countries share languages and some countries are a bit, well, small, you still have something that could approach a factor of x10

Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

2010-03-29 Thread Carcharoth
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 7:51 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 March 2010 19:18, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: How so? Number of countries is 193 (roughly), but even if you factor in the fact that some countries share languages and some countries are a bit, well, small,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

2010-03-29 Thread Ian Woollard
On 29/03/2010, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: Even for the US, about 80% of the members of state legislatures historically are not covered. For the current Michigan House of Representatives, only 50% of the current members have articles, and almost none of the earlier ones. this is

Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

2010-03-29 Thread geni
On 29 March 2010 19:46, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 March 2010 19:43, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: Within any state, any public library will be able to assist sufficiently on their  own state's legislature. Much of it isn't online and photocopies remain way

Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

2010-03-28 Thread Keegan Paul
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:57 AM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:49 AM, Keegan Paul kgnp...@gmail.com wrote: http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/ChartsWikipediaEN.htm http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/ChartsWikipediaEN.htmIt's obvious of the peak in January of

Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

2010-03-28 Thread Keegan Paul
Oh yeah, the Account Creation proccess, article upload wizard, and commons image uploading process has some effect as well. In optimizing one or a few times contributions, we perhaps also do not pique interest in further content creation. On the other hand, maybe they wouldn't have even tried

Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

2010-03-28 Thread Stephen Bain
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: The number of new contributors _must_ decline at some point, unless you hold a hypothesis that Wikipedia will eventually be driving the growth of human population. ;) Well, young people *are* increasingly turning to

Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

2010-03-28 Thread William Pietri
On 03/27/2010 09:49 PM, Keegan Paul wrote: What I'm interested in is thoughts of why New Contributors has statistically declined sharply, but the list of active contributors has much less of a slope and even less so for very active contributors. What happened in the first six months of 2007?

Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

2010-03-28 Thread Ian Woollard
On 28/03/2010, Keegan Paul kgnp...@gmail.com wrote: http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/ChartsWikipediaEN.htm http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/ChartsWikipediaEN.htmIt's obvious of the peak in January of 2007. What I'm interested in is thoughts of why New Contributors has statistically declined

Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

2010-03-28 Thread Charles Matthews
Ian Woollard wrote: * - there's been some new articles required since the Wikipedia started up in 2001; knowledge has been created! New knowledge is eventually going to set the level of continued growth of the Wikipedia, perhaps about 500 articles per day or something. If you look at the new

Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

2010-03-28 Thread Carcharoth
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Ian Woollard ian.wooll...@gmail.com wrote: snip I think a lot of people get involved to write new articles. It looks like 2007 was 'peak oil' for new articles; after that it was getting harder to find new articles to write; about half of the articles that

Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

2010-03-28 Thread Ian Woollard
On 28/03/2010, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Ian Woollard ian.wooll...@gmail.com I think a lot of people get involved to write new articles. It looks like 2007 was 'peak oil' for new articles; after that it was getting harder to find new

Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

2010-03-28 Thread geni
On 28 March 2010 20:42, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: Just as an example, I was taking part in the Military History World War I contest recently, and there were at least 43 new articles created (or expanded) for DYK. I'm currently trying to work out how many articles were

Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

2010-03-28 Thread Carcharoth
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 12:06 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 March 2010 20:42, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: Just as an example, I was taking part in the Military History World War I contest recently, and there were at least 43 new articles created (or expanded) for

Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

2010-03-28 Thread Carcharoth
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Ian Woollard ian.wooll...@gmail.com wrote: snip The idea comes from a mixture of looking at the statistics peak and looking at the articles that still are needed. Nearly all of the low-hanging fruit is clearly gone now. Most of the mid-hanging fruit is also

[WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

2010-03-27 Thread Keegan Paul
http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/ChartsWikipediaEN.htm http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/ChartsWikipediaEN.htmIt's obvious of the peak in January of 2007. What I'm interested in is thoughts of why New Contributors has statistically declined sharply, but the list of active contributors has much less of

Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

2010-03-27 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:49 AM, Keegan Paul kgnp...@gmail.com wrote: http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/ChartsWikipediaEN.htm http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/ChartsWikipediaEN.htmIt's obvious of the peak in January of 2007. What I'm interested in is thoughts of why New Contributors has