Re: [WikiEN-l] Policies, notability et al, was Request to Wikipedians for BBC Documentary

2009-08-19 Thread David Gerard
2009/8/19 David Goodman : > As for the British parliamentarian, I can't identify him. This was 2004, I really do not remember :-) If anyone who cares more than me wants to grovel through my edits from five years ago ... - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing lis

Re: [WikiEN-l] Policies, notability et al, was Request to Wikipedians for BBC Documentary

2009-08-19 Thread David Goodman
Of course I wouldn't put them up for AfD. There is no reason to make the previous text inaccessible--and conceivably some of it could be used. I could do much more rewriting if people put fewer acceptable (or at least fixable or mergeable) articles up for unwarranted AfDs, or did not try to chang

Re: [WikiEN-l] Policies, notability et al, was Request to Wikipedians for BBC Documentary

2009-08-19 Thread Charles Matthews
Carcharoth wrote: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:1911_Encyclopedia_topics > "The only remaining task on Variation and selection is integrating > references, probably to their own authors' pages. That page is still > up for historical interest and to finish small amounts, but for all > int

Re: [WikiEN-l] Policies, notability et al, was Request to Wikipedians for BBC Documentary

2009-08-19 Thread Carcharoth
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 2:21 AM, David Gerard wrote: > 2009/8/19  : > >> Well get busy I still once-in-a-while encounter articles whose only >> source is EB1911.  I would submit that if you actually put these up for >> AfD you'd get a lot of backflack for SNOW.  Sure the articles could be >> fixed,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Policies, notability et al, was Request to Wikipedians for BBC Documentary

2009-08-19 Thread Surreptitiousness
wjhon...@aol.com wrote: > I just want to address this one quote. > > < and tertiary sources, but very few secondary sources.>> > > Let's say that you have the "tertiary" (shudder) source EB 1911, > "Cleopatra". You are aware that an enormous number of our articles > were created *solely* from th

Re: [WikiEN-l] Policies, notability et al, was Request to Wikipedians for BBC Documentary

2009-08-18 Thread Andrew Gray
2009/8/19 David Gerard : > 2009/8/19  : > >> Well get busy I still once-in-a-while encounter articles whose only >> source is EB1911.  I would submit that if you actually put these up for >> AfD you'd get a lot of backflack for SNOW.  Sure the articles could be >> fixed, but the previous point was

Re: [WikiEN-l] Policies, notability et al, was Request to Wikipedians for BBC Documentary

2009-08-18 Thread David Gerard
2009/8/19 : > Well get busy I still once-in-a-while encounter articles whose only > source is EB1911.  I would submit that if you actually put these up for > AfD you'd get a lot of backflack for SNOW.  Sure the articles could be > fixed, but the previous point was that a single tertiary source is

Re: [WikiEN-l] Policies, notability et al, was Request to Wikipedians for BBC Documentary

2009-08-18 Thread wjhonson
;s not a straight copyvio. -Original Message- From: David Goodman To: English Wikipedia Sent: Tue, Aug 18, 2009 6:11 pm Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Policies, notability et al, was Request to Wikipedians for BBC Documentary Not that it's a single source. The problem is that it's a s

Re: [WikiEN-l] Policies, notability et al, was Request to Wikipedians for BBC Documentary

2009-08-18 Thread David Goodman
Not that it's a single source. The problem is that it's a single outmoded source, never really balanced and NPOV, and by now wholly unreliable in almost all subjects, the ancient world included. About 95% of it was written over a century ago, and there is almost nothing for which new information an

Re: [WikiEN-l] Policies, notability et al, was Request to Wikipedians for BBC Documentary

2009-08-18 Thread wjhonson
I just want to address this one quote. <> I think this is a false reading of our intent. The entire structuring of the "rely primarily on secondary sources" and other discussion that primary sources can be included *when* the material was already introduced by a secondary source in some way and

Re: [WikiEN-l] Policies, notability et al, was Request to Wikipedians for BBC Documentary

2009-08-18 Thread Surreptitiousness
wjhon...@aol.com wrote: > I believe tantamount not to "rules can be broken" but rather to "rules can > change". I never advise people to be bold *against* policy, but rather > to go to the policy discussion pages and see whether or not their > situation might be an exception that we'd like to i