Re: [WikiEN-l] Putting some perspective on the end of Wikipedia

2009-09-08 Thread Joseph Reagle
On Friday 04 September 2009, Gwern Branwen wrote: Would it be possible for you to do a comparison with Wikipedia just before semiprotection was enabled? I've long wanted to know whether the argument that semiprotections would replace full protections holds any water. This would also seem to

Re: [WikiEN-l] Putting some perspective on the end of Wikipedia

2009-09-05 Thread Charles Matthews
Risker wrote: There are some opportunities to improve practices here, and to really take a look and decide which articles (and rarely, article talk pages) need this indefinite protection. At the same time, I really do believe that if an admin is going to reduce protection on a page with an

Re: [WikiEN-l] Putting some perspective on the end of Wikipedia

2009-09-05 Thread Charles Matthews
I was away and missed the FR discussions, but I have to say this: the vanishing point is nowhere in sight! Charles ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit:

Re: [WikiEN-l] Putting some perspective on the end of Wikipedia

2009-09-05 Thread Tony Sidaway
On 9/5/09, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: I was away and missed the FR discussions, but I have to say this: the vanishing point is nowhere in sight! FR? (Racks brains). I assume you mean flagged revisions? ___ WikiEN-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Putting some perspective on the end of Wikipedia

2009-09-05 Thread Charles Matthews
Tony Sidaway wrote: On 9/5/09, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: I was away and missed the FR discussions, but I have to say this: the vanishing point is nowhere in sight! FR? (Racks brains). I assume you mean flagged revisions? Got it in one! Oh, and

Re: [WikiEN-l] Putting some perspective on the end of Wikipedia

2009-09-05 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/9/5 Gwern Branwen gwe...@gmail.com: Would it be possible for you to do a comparison with Wikipedia just before semiprotection was enabled? I've long wanted to know whether the argument that semiprotections would replace full protections holds any water. Such a comparison should be

[WikiEN-l] Putting some perspective on the end of Wikipedia

2009-09-04 Thread Joseph Reagle
One of the best responses to some of the hyperbole out there about the closing, failure, end of WP is the figure of how many articles are actually locked down in any way, however, this is a difficult figure to authoritatively find/claim. There's Main and Featured [1] of course, about 11

Re: [WikiEN-l] Putting some perspective on the end of Wikipedia

2009-09-04 Thread FT2
Sorry, no. A quick look at the protection log shows many more protections of articles as well as other pages; listing in the protected pages categories almost seems an exception when these are clicked on. As well a wide range of pages are salted - deleted then protected to prevent recreation.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Putting some perspective on the end of Wikipedia

2009-09-04 Thread FT2
Okay, found out why. You need to account for [[Category:Wikipedia pages protected due to dispute]] and other protection categories, as well. Pages such as Russell's teapot and Developed country are in there, protected, but not tagged. The root cause seems to be that the category isn't itself a

Re: [WikiEN-l] Putting some perspective on the end of Wikipedia

2009-09-04 Thread FT2
Passed on to WP:AN http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Protection_template_issue FT2 On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 2:36 PM, FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote: Okay, found out why. You need to account for [[Category:Wikipedia pages protected due to dispute]] and other

Re: [WikiEN-l] Putting some perspective on the end of Wikipedia

2009-09-04 Thread Joseph Reagle
On Friday 04 September 2009, Joseph Reagle wrote: One of the best responses to some of the hyperbole out there about the closing, failure, end of WP is the figure of how many articles are actually locked down in any way, however, this is a difficult figure to authoritatively find/claim.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Putting some perspective on the end of Wikipedia

2009-09-04 Thread Durova
Try this instead to refute the Wikipedia is dying argument. Wikipedia's featured picture program started in May 2004. It took until 30 December 2007 to reach 1000 featured pictures. We're on track to reach number 2000 within a week: currently at 1973 FPs with 63 active nominations. It would be

Re: [WikiEN-l] Putting some perspective on the end of Wikipedia

2009-09-04 Thread Gwern Branwen
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Joseph Reaglerea...@mit.edu wrote: On Friday 04 September 2009, Joseph Reagle wrote: One of the best responses to some of the hyperbole out there about the closing, failure, end of WP is the figure of how many articles are actually locked down in any way,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Putting some perspective on the end of Wikipedia

2009-09-04 Thread Tony Sidaway
I'm undertaking to have all article and talk page semiprotections on Wikipedia reviewed. The process I'm using is to enter a brief proposal on the article talk page and contact the protecting sysop. The idea is that we discuss whether to unprotect the article or talk page and watch it vigilantly.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Putting some perspective on the end of Wikipedia

2009-09-04 Thread George Herbert
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Tony Sidawaytonysida...@gmail.com wrote: I'm undertaking to have all article and talk page semiprotections on Wikipedia reviewed.  The process I'm using is to enter a brief proposal on the article talk page and contact the protecting sysop. The idea is that we

Re: [WikiEN-l] Putting some perspective on the end of Wikipedia

2009-09-04 Thread wjhonson
Sent: Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:55 pm Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Putting some perspective on the end of Wikipedia I'm undertaking to have all article and talk page semiprotections on Wikipedia reviewed. The process I'm using is to enter a brief proposal on the article talk page and contact the protecting

Re: [WikiEN-l] Putting some perspective on the end of Wikipedia

2009-09-04 Thread Tony Sidaway
On 9/5/09, Phil Nash pn007a2...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: I took a quick look the other day at the categories of unsourced articles, which go back to December 2006; to be honest, I don't currently have the time or will myself to trawl through what is a Sisyphean task. Even limiting that to BLP

Re: [WikiEN-l] Putting some perspective on the end of Wikipedia

2009-09-04 Thread Risker
Tony is right that these lists of long-term and indefinitely protected or semi-protected pages should be reviewed periodically. The place to find this information is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_reports There are about 3000 indefinitely permanently protected talk pages;

Re: [WikiEN-l] Putting some perspective on the end of Wikipedia

2009-09-04 Thread Tony Sidaway
On 9/5/09, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: There are some opportunities to improve practices here, and to really take a look and decide which articles (and rarely, article talk pages) need this indefinite protection. At the same time, I really do believe that if an admin is going to reduce