Re: [WikiEN-l] The current purges in English Wikipedia (...and my personal case)

Wikipedia would be so much better off if we just didn't let people edit the content. On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Andrew Turvey wrote: > "Ray Saintonge" wrote: > > From: "Ray Saintonge" > > > > Andrew Turvey wrote: > > > Per the policy [[WP:NOSHARE]], "Sharing an account – or the pass

Re: [WikiEN-l] The current purges in English Wikipedia (...and my personal case)

"Ray Saintonge" wrote: > From: "Ray Saintonge" > > Andrew Turvey wrote: > > Per the policy [[WP:NOSHARE]], "Sharing an account – or the password to an > > account – with others is not permitted, and doing so will result in the > > account being blocked." > > > > This is worded in su

Re: [WikiEN-l] The current purges in English Wikipedia (...and my personal case)

Fred Bauder wrote: >> And people with shared computers will continue to engage in these minor >> faults. So what! There is no general need to make such an exaggerated >> fuss about it. >> >> Ec >> > > The fuss is here: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#B

Re: [WikiEN-l] The current purges in English Wikipedia (...and my personal case)

> Andrew Turvey wrote: >> - "Fred Bauder" wrote: >> >>> There is still a problem: He still has friends; there is probably >>> still >>> only one computer; and his friends may be interested in writing >>> Wikipedia >>> accounts for hire, a legal activity, as he points out. We might have >>> to

Re: [WikiEN-l] The current purges in English Wikipedia (...and my personal case)

: > From: "Andrew Turvey" > To: "Desiphral" > Sent: Thursday, 9 July, 2009 17:37:06 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, > Portugal > Subject: Fwd: [WikiEN-l] The current purges in English Wikipedia (...and my > personal case) > > > Hi Desiphral,

Re: [WikiEN-l] The current purges in English Wikipedia (...and my personal case)

Andrew Turvey wrote: > - "Fred Bauder" wrote: > >> There is still a problem: He still has friends; there is probably still >> only one computer; and his friends may be interested in writing Wikipedia >> accounts for hire, a legal activity, as he points out. We might have to >> sort some

Re: [WikiEN-l] The current purges in English Wikipedia (...and my personal case)

Andrew Turvey wrote: > Per the policy [[WP:NOSHARE]], "Sharing an account – or the password to an > account – with others is not permitted, and doing so will result in the > account being blocked." > This is worded in such an absolute way as to make the hearts of the policy police glow. Th

Re: [WikiEN-l] The current purges in English Wikipedia (...and my personal case)

Charles Matthews wrote: > Nathan wrote: > >> On the contrary, my guess is quite a few >> articles about individuals and companies of mid-level fame were created by >> fans, friends, associates, employees, etc. Perhaps a deep review with >> WikiScanner will allow us to identify some of these susp

Re: [WikiEN-l] The current purges in English Wikipedia (...and my personal case)

interested in writing > >> Wikipedia > >> accounts for hire, a legal activity, as he points out. We might have to > >> sort some of this stuff out. I think we can. > >> > >> Fred > >> > >> > > >> > - "Nathan" wrot

Re: [WikiEN-l] The current purges in English Wikipedia (...and my personal case)

legal activity, as he points out. We might have to >> sort some of this stuff out. I think we can. >> >> Fred >> >> > >> > - "Nathan" wrote: >> >> From: "Nathan" >> >> To: "English Wikipedia" &g

Re: [WikiEN-l] The current purges in English Wikipedia (...and my personal case)

ia > accounts for hire, a legal activity, as he points out. We might have to > sort some of this stuff out. I think we can. > > Fred > > > > > - "Nathan" wrote: > >> From: "Nathan" > >> To: "English Wikipedia" > >

Re: [WikiEN-l] The current purges in English Wikipedia (...and my personal case)

- "Fred Bauder" wrote: > From: "Fred Bauder" > There is still a problem: He still has friends; there is probably still > only one computer; and his friends may be interested in writing Wikipedia > accounts for hire, a legal activity, as he points out. We might have to > sort some of thi

Re: [WikiEN-l] The current purges in English Wikipedia (...and my personal case)

f out. I think we can. Fred > > - "Nathan" wrote: >> From: "Nathan" >> To: "English Wikipedia" >> Sent: Thursday, 9 July, 2009 18:51:45 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, >> Portugal >> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] The current purges in

Re: [WikiEN-l] The current purges in English Wikipedia (...and my personal case)

might not still apply. - "Nathan" wrote: > From: "Nathan" > To: "English Wikipedia" > Sent: Thursday, 9 July, 2009 18:51:45 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, > Portugal > Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] The current purges in English Wikipedia (.

Re: [WikiEN-l] The current purges in English Wikipedia (...and my personal case)

- "Desiphral" wrote: > From: "Desiphral" > To: "charles r matthews" , "English > Wikipedia" > Sent: Thursday, 9 July, 2009 20:49:28 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, > Portugal > Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] The current purges in

Re: [WikiEN-l] The current purges in English Wikipedia (...and my personal case)

Thank you for these thoughts. The suggestions of Andrew about how to make an appeal will probably get me unblocked. But, in the first place, I'm not sure if I was blocked correctly. I was told in my last request for unblock that "the same person and only that one person may press the keys on the k

Re: [WikiEN-l] The current purges in English Wikipedia (...and my personal case)

Nathan wrote: > I'm not sure how blocking someone for conduct admitted from "some years > ago", that doesn't appear to have hurt anyone or caused any disruption, is > "the right thing to do." The account is blocked, because the problem is with the account. There are obviously good grounds for an

Re: [WikiEN-l] The current purges in English Wikipedia (...and my personal case)

I'm not sure how blocking someone for conduct admitted from "some years ago", that doesn't appear to have hurt anyone or caused any disruption, is "the right thing to do." That's like saying "You violated 3RR in 2004, I'm blocking you for 24 hours. If you wish to be unblocked, admit your guilt and

Re: [WikiEN-l] The current purges in English Wikipedia (...and my personal case)

" wrote: > From: "Desiphral" > To: "English Wikipedia" > Sent: Thursday, 9 July, 2009 11:18:44 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, > Portugal > Subject: [WikiEN-l] The current purges in English Wikipedia (...and my > personal case) > > I was r

Re: [WikiEN-l] The current purges in English Wikipedia (...and my personal case)

Nathan wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Charles Matthews > > > > > As far as I know, motivation is still a bad argument at AfD. The > basic > "conflict of interest" point is not that motives should be pure, > whatever that mean

Re: [WikiEN-l] The current purges in English Wikipedia (...and my personal case)

On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Charles Matthews < charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com> > > > As far as I know, motivation is still a bad argument at AfD. The basic > "conflict of interest" point is not that motives should be pure, > whatever that means, but that outside motivation should not be play

Re: [WikiEN-l] The current purges in English Wikipedia (...and my personal case)

Nathan wrote: > On the contrary, my guess is quite a few > articles about individuals and companies of mid-level fame were created by > fans, friends, associates, employees, etc. Perhaps a deep review with > WikiScanner will allow us to identify some of these suspect articles, and > delete them bec

Re: [WikiEN-l] The current purges in English Wikipedia (...and my personal case)

The moral panic on this subject is irrational. Folks are scandalized (scandalized!) by the very thought of people being paid to add articles to Wikipedia because they might have a conflict of interest. Rspeer notes that we've got along perfectly well with volunteers so far, presumably implying that

Re: [WikiEN-l] The current purges in English Wikipedia (...and my personal case)

The actual policy, if it is policy, under which Desiphral was banned is a prohibition against role accounts, or group accounts at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Role_account Is this policy? Is it a wise policy? Does it apply in his case? Fred > I was recently indefinitely blocked in connection w

[WikiEN-l] The current purges in English Wikipedia (...and my personal case)

I was recently indefinitely blocked in connection with the paid editing issue, without being a paid editor myself. Actually the paid users with whom I had a previous collaboration on voluntary subjects are even now free to edit. Worse, it is proposed the closure of the Wikipedia I put on track. H