Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-22 Thread Casey Brown
On 5/21/10, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: now need to try typing the title of the longest article (which was mentioned somewhere recently) to see if that will break the new gizmo. :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest_word_in_English ;-) -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-22 Thread Carcharoth
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Casey Brown li...@caseybrown.org wrote: On 5/21/10, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: now need to try typing the title of the longest article (which was mentioned somewhere recently) to see if that will break the new gizmo. :-)

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-21 Thread Carcharoth
I like the changes from what I can see so far. Some of the stuff I was saying earlier had gone is now back, so it looks like it was a temporary thing while the changes were made. I like the way the text now adjusts to being left-justified so you can see the whole text. I now need to try typing the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-21 Thread Carcharoth
Of course, I meant right-justified... On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: I like the changes from what I can see so far. Some of the stuff I was saying earlier had gone is now back, so it looks like it was a temporary thing while the changes were

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-21 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 06:20, Naoko Komura nkom...@wikimedia.org wrote: Just a quick update: Updated search interface was rolled-out to English Wikipedia earlier today. Thank you all for your quick feedback. Thanks for fixing the full-text search. There's a significant change from Monobook

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-21 Thread Naoko Komura
Naoko Komura wrote: Amir E. Aharoni wrote: On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 04:15, Naoko Komura nkom...@wikimedia.org wrote: We have updated the new search interface to address the issues above and it is currently staged on the the prototype [1]. This update addresses the reported issues

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-21 Thread AGK
On 20 May 2010 16:23, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: Yeah, but are they using the search box or using Google? A moot question. There is no excuse for having Wikipedia make do with a search box that is at best odd—and at worst an obstruction to our reader's searches. What bothers

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-21 Thread geni
On 22 May 2010 00:28, AGK wiki...@googlemail.com wrote: On 20 May 2010 16:23, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: Yeah, but are they using the search box or using Google? A moot question. There is no excuse for having Wikipedia make do with a search box that is at best odd—and at

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-21 Thread AGK
On 22 May 2010 00:36, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: Not so. The search box in classic is on the top left (as well as the second one at the the end of the page). As far as I'm aware this requies no changes from monobook. I may have been being a little sarcastic :P. Sorry if I confused you. AGK

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-21 Thread Carcharoth
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 12:28 AM, AGK wiki...@googlemail.com wrote: On 20 May 2010 16:23, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: Yeah, but are they using the search box or using Google? A moot question. There is no excuse for having Wikipedia make do with a search box that is at best

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-21 Thread Stephen Bain
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 2:06 AM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: We have a rough proxy for use of search, I believe, by seeing the traffic to special:search. We could try seeing if this exhibits any noticeable difference after the chance. We're limited here by the fact that, for

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-20 Thread Charles Matthews
David Goodman wrote: Not bad in terms of function, except for the small size of the search box, which should be twice the current size there. But it would still be better on the left side, under the logo. Ah, but it would be confusing to be out of step with other websites, wouldn't it?

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-20 Thread Magnus Manske
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 3:26 AM, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: Not bad in terms of function, except for the small size of the search box, which should be twice the current size there.   But it would still be better on the left side, under the logo. How about having JavaScript

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-20 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 04:15, Naoko Komura nkom...@wikimedia.org wrote: We have updated the new search interface to address the issues above and it is currently staged on the the prototype [1]. This update addresses the reported issues such as truncation of search queries [2] and the search

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-20 Thread William Pietri
On 05/20/2010 01:13 AM, Charles Matthews wrote: Ah, but it would be confusing to be out of step with other websites, wouldn't it? Never mind that Wikipedia is sui generis and well known in its own terms, it would be confusing not to conform to other sites in having design imposed, not bubbling

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-20 Thread Amory Meltzer
Well, according to Google, there are somewhere between 1.5 and 1.8 billion internet users in the world. If we ignore those numbers and say only 1B use the internet, then according to Alex wikipedia.org gets about 13.5% of internet users. That's 135 million users. We definitely don't have

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-20 Thread Carcharoth
Yeah, but are they using the search box or using Google? Carcharoth On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Amory Meltzer amorymelt...@gmail.com wrote: Well, according to Google, there are somewhere between 1.5 and 1.8 billion internet users in the world.  If we ignore those numbers and say only 1B

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-20 Thread David Gerard
On 20 May 2010 16:17, Amory Meltzer amorymelt...@gmail.com wrote: Well, according to Google, there are somewhere between 1.5 and 1.8 billion internet users in the world.  If we ignore those numbers and say only 1B use the internet, then according to Alex wikipedia.org No, I mean actual data

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-20 Thread William Pietri
On 05/20/2010 07:57 AM, David Gerard wrote: On 20 May 2010 15:51, William Pietriwill...@scissor.com wrote: But assuming a 99:1 novice to expert ratio for our traffic, the current approach must have saved an awful lot of extra clicks from novices. Ahh ... do we have numbers from

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-20 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:30 AM, William Pietri will...@scissor.com wrote: Good question. I should say that I have no inside knowledge on this project, and am speaking purely as a random Wikipedian who does web stuff for a living. That's just my educated guess, both on ratios and clicks.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-20 Thread Charles Matthews
William Pietri wrote: The community of editors definitely make this place what it is, but our shared goal is to serve readers, and I think that should be paramount in our minds. Especially in situations like interface design, where a classic and incredibly common mistake is for internal

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-20 Thread Andrew Gray
On 20 May 2010 16:29, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: No, I mean actual data from the actual use of our site. Putting the search box in the same place as other popular sites is on the assumption that people will find this more familiar. But what's the actual data say about the change? I

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-20 Thread Naoko Komura
Amir E. Aharoni wrote: On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 04:15, Naoko Komura nkom...@wikimedia.org wrote: We have updated the new search interface to address the issues above and it is currently staged on the the prototype [1]. This update addresses the reported issues such as truncation of search

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-20 Thread Naoko Komura
Magnus Manske wrote: On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 3:26 AM, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: Not bad in terms of function, except for the small size of the search box, which should be twice the current size there. But it would still be better on the left side, under the logo.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-20 Thread geni
On 20 May 2010 16:29, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 May 2010 16:17, Amory Meltzer amorymelt...@gmail.com wrote: Well, according to Google, there are somewhere between 1.5 and 1.8 billion internet users in the world.  If we ignore those numbers and say only 1B use the internet,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-20 Thread Naoko Komura
Just a quick update: Updated search interface was rolled-out to English Wikipedia earlier today. Thank you all for your quick feedback. Regarding the search location, we understand the inconvenience and the sense of disorientation when the frequently used tool is moved around. However, we

[WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-19 Thread Naoko Komura
Hi, everyone. We have received problem reports and feedback that search queries were truncated sometimes and the search suggestions were hard to read or chose due to the limited width. We apologize for introducing broken behaviors in using the search. In order to mitigate spreading the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

2010-05-19 Thread David Goodman
Not bad in terms of function, except for the small size of the search box, which should be twice the current size there. But it would still be better on the left side, under the logo. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 9:15 PM,