Re: [WikiEN-l] WIKIPEDIA FOREVER

2009-11-16 Thread stevertigo
Emily Monroe bluecalioc...@me.com wrote: I don't understand how this [off topic discussion about big diamonds and physics] even relates to banner slogans, people! Emily Keegan Paul kgnp...@gmail.com wrote: It relates because using anything claiming it to be forever is stupid.  Short of

Re: [WikiEN-l] WIKIPEDIA FOREVER

2009-11-16 Thread Soxred93
And I've said a hundred times that there's nothing wrong with cubic zirconia. Just don't let your girlfriend/wife hear you. -X! ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit:

Re: [WikiEN-l] WIKIPEDIA FOREVER

2009-11-16 Thread stevertigo
stevertigo wrote: And I've said a hundred times that there's nothing wrong with cubic zirconia. Soxred93 soxre...@gmail.com wrote: Just don't let your girlfriend/wife hear you. That's not a problem. -Stevertigo ___ WikiEN-l mailing list

Re: [WikiEN-l] WIKIPEDIA FOREVER

2009-11-15 Thread Keegan Paul
A DIAMOND IS FOREVER. -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] WIKIPEDIA FOREVER

2009-11-15 Thread Evangeline Han
Can the Foundation give an explanation as to why they went on with putting up that banner despite strong opposition from many people? That banner is totally horrible and I really wonder if it even was a Wikipedia editor who proposed it with all those capital letters. On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:38

Re: [WikiEN-l] WIKIPEDIA FOREVER

2009-11-15 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Evangeline Han evanbe...@gmail.com wrote: Can the Foundation give an explanation as to why they went on with putting up that banner despite strong opposition from many people? Because their advice was that it would work. It probably is working. Steve

Re: [WikiEN-l] WIKIPEDIA FOREVER

2009-11-15 Thread stevertigo
Keegan Paul kgnp...@gmail.com wrote: A DIAMOND IS FOREVER. That's not exactly true. Sol will consume Terra in only about 3.8 billion years, which, as anyone knows, forever. And if whoever the previous owner of the Koh-I-Noor is in fact still alive in some alternate afterlife reality, I'm sure

Re: [WikiEN-l] WIKIPEDIA FOREVER

2009-11-15 Thread Carcharoth
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 4:20 PM, stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote: Keegan Paul kgnp...@gmail.com wrote: A DIAMOND IS FOREVER. That's not exactly true. Sol will consume Terra in only about 3.8 billion years, which, as anyone knows, forever. And if whoever the previous owner of the

Re: [WikiEN-l] WIKIPEDIA FOREVER

2009-11-15 Thread stevertigo
Keegan Paul kgnp...@gmail.com wrote: A DIAMOND IS FOREVER. stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote: That's not exactly true. Sol will consume Terra in only about 3.8 billion years, which, as anyone knows, forever. And if whoever the previous owner of the Koh-I-Noor is in fact still alive in some

Re: [WikiEN-l] WIKIPEDIA FOREVER

2009-11-15 Thread stevertigo
Evangeline Han evanbe...@gmail.com wrote: Can the Foundation give an explanation as to why they went on with putting up that banner despite strong opposition from many people? Giving out explanations would defeat the purpose of having a command entity in the first place. A command is exactly

Re: [WikiEN-l] WIKIPEDIA FOREVER

2009-11-15 Thread Carcharoth
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 6:52 PM, stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote: Keegan Paul kgnp...@gmail.com wrote: A DIAMOND IS FOREVER. stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote: That's not exactly true. Sol will consume Terra in only about 3.8 billion years, which, as anyone knows, forever. And if whoever

Re: [WikiEN-l] WIKIPEDIA FOREVER

2009-11-15 Thread Emily Monroe
I don't understand how this even relates to banner slogans, people! Emily On Nov 15, 2009, at 12:52 PM, stevertigo wrote: Keegan Paul kgnp...@gmail.com wrote: A DIAMOND IS FOREVER. stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote: That's not exactly true. Sol will consume Terra in only about 3.8 billion

Re: [WikiEN-l] WIKIPEDIA FOREVER

2009-11-15 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 4:55 PM, William Pietri will...@scissor.com wrote: I'm personally not a big fan of the ads either, but if they were substantially more effective, then I'd have to think about whether this is one of those many occasions where my personal tastes diverge from what makes a

Re: [WikiEN-l] WIKIPEDIA FOREVER

2009-11-15 Thread Keegan Paul
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Emily Monroe bluecalioc...@me.com wrote: I don't understand how this even relates to banner slogans, people! Emily It relates because using anything claiming it to be forever is stupid. Short of theological concepts and some metaphysical debate on the

Re: [WikiEN-l] WIKIPEDIA FOREVER

2009-11-14 Thread Steve Bennett
It is pretty much traditional for the fundraiser to cause controversy, in fact. I know how Oleg feels. These days I ignore the ads, since I don't see why I should give money well as time: and they are obviously aimed at Wikipedia's readers, who outnumber the people seriously involved with the

Re: [WikiEN-l] WIKIPEDIA FOREVER

2009-11-14 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: It is pretty much traditional for the fundraiser to cause controversy, in fact. I know how Oleg feels. These days I ignore the ads, since I don't see why I should give money well as time: and they are obviously aimed at

Re: [WikiEN-l] WIKIPEDIA FOREVER

2009-11-13 Thread Charles Matthews
Brian J Mingus wrote: I believe the banner will be judged, not based on the almost universally bad impressions of it that I have seen from Wikipedians, but based on how much money it makes. I don't think it's surprising that the banner rubs many Wikipedians the wrong way. It was created by a

Re: [WikiEN-l] WIKIPEDIA FOREVER

2009-11-13 Thread stevertigo
Brian J Mingus brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: I believe the banner will be judged, not based on the almost universally bad impressions of it that I have seen from Wikipedians, but based on how much money it makes. I don't think it's surprising that the banner rubs many Wikipedians the wrong

Re: [WikiEN-l] WIKIPEDIA FOREVER

2009-11-13 Thread David Gerard
2009/11/13 stevertigo stv...@gmail.com: Well its tacky - if for no other reason that it presumes to represent Wikipedia's eternal presence. Which is an interesting thought about futurism, but one that needs an essay to link to.  And the slogan is in SHOUTCASE, which everybody knows is the

Re: [WikiEN-l] WIKIPEDIA FOREVER

2009-11-13 Thread Bod Notbod
WIKIPEDIA FOREVER! It just sounds like a war cry or triumphal primal scream. I'd rather the words help or support were in there. The cry makes it sound like Wikipedia is not the least fragile. It sounds like it doesn't need support. ___ WikiEN-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] WIKIPEDIA FOREVER

2009-11-12 Thread Ryan Delaney
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Bod Notbod bodnot...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Oleg Alexandrov oleg.alexand...@gmail.com wrote: I find the current WIKIPEDIA FOREVER banner to be creepy. I don't have good words to express it, but it does not feel the right way of

Re: [WikiEN-l] WIKIPEDIA FOREVER

2009-11-12 Thread Soxred93
Maybe the Foundation is trying to teach us a lesson. Maybe they want us to stop complaining about ads, so they intentionally run a bad one. In the next few years, we'll have this to look back on and say, it could always be worse. IT'S A CONSPIRACY! :D -X!

Re: [WikiEN-l] WIKIPEDIA FOREVER

2009-11-12 Thread William Pietri
geni wrote: Is there an actual place to discuss the wording of such banners? It's ended up a bit spread out but: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2009/Launch_Feedback http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2009/Alternative_banners That's quite some feedback. Has

Re: [WikiEN-l] WIKIPEDIA FOREVER

2009-11-12 Thread Charles Matthews
Soxred93 wrote: Maybe the Foundation is trying to teach us a lesson. Maybe they want us to stop complaining about ads, so they intentionally run a bad one. In the next few years, we'll have this to look back on and say, it could always be worse. It is pretty much traditional for the

Re: [WikiEN-l] WIKIPEDIA FOREVER

2009-11-12 Thread Dan Dascalescu
These days I ignore the ads, since I don't see why I should give money well as time: and they are obviously aimed at Wikipedia's readers, who outnumber the people seriously involved with the site by a factor of 10,000 or more by now. I share the same feeling. As an editor, I think I

Re: [WikiEN-l] WIKIPEDIA FOREVER

2009-11-12 Thread David Gerard
2009/11/12 Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com: Soxred93 wrote: Maybe the Foundation is trying to teach us a lesson. Maybe they want us to stop complaining about ads, so they intentionally run a bad one. In the next few years, we'll have this to look back on and say, it could

Re: [WikiEN-l] WIKIPEDIA FOREVER

2009-11-12 Thread Brian J Mingus
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:38 AM, Oleg Alexandrov oleg.alexand...@gmail.comwrote: I have been a Wikipedian for five years. I am an administrator, I have written tens of articles, created hundreds of pictures, and made tens of thousands of edits. I love Wikipedia and all that it represents. I

Re: [WikiEN-l] WIKIPEDIA FOREVER

2009-11-12 Thread Mark Wagner
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 02:38, Oleg Alexandrov oleg.alexand...@gmail.com wrote: I find the current WIKIPEDIA FOREVER banner to be creepy. I don't have good words to express it, but it does not feel the right way of soliciting donations. I know exactly what I dislike about it: it feels like the