Re: [WikiEN-l] Well-sourced nonsense vs. unsourced competence

2009-09-03 Thread Bod Notbod
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 10:19 AM, FT2ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote: Actually is there a reason why refs couldn't have a separate section? People with a view on this may like to contribute to: http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposal:Move_references_out_of_the_code

Re: [WikiEN-l] Well-sourced nonsense vs. unsourced competence

2009-09-03 Thread stevertigo
Bod Notbodbodnot...@gmail.com wrote: People with a view on this may like to contribute to: http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposal:Move_references_out_of_the_code Good link! Note I've proposed a move on the talk page. -Stevertigo ___ WikiEN-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Well-sourced nonsense vs. unsourced competence

2009-08-30 Thread stevertigo
David Goodmandgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: From the excellent little book Keywords in Evolutionary Biology by Evelyn Fox Keller Elisabeth Lloyd,  Adaptation, Current uses by Mary Jane West-Eberhard, An 'adaptation' is a characteristic of an organism whose form is the result of selection in a

Re: [WikiEN-l] Well-sourced nonsense vs. unsourced competence

2009-08-30 Thread stevertigo
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 1:13 PM, stevertigostv...@gmail.com wrote: But even that is not technically accurate - adaptation is a perception of overall change - based in a *quantitative estimation of things being different from what they were before. Correction - should be: 'adaptation is a

Re: [WikiEN-l] Well-sourced nonsense vs. unsourced competence

2009-08-29 Thread FT2
Actually is there a reason why refs couldn't have a separate section? The main disadvantage would be technical - revision data held in an extra field. What you'd have is a list of named references, and the main text only including ref name=WHATEVER / and references / tags. As the cursor moves to

Re: [WikiEN-l] Well-sourced nonsense vs. unsourced competence

2009-08-29 Thread FT2
One immediate if minor advantage: old references don't get lost from the text, when their first mention is removed. FT2 On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 10:19 AM, FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote: Actually is there a reason why refs couldn't have a separate section? The main disadvantage would be

Re: [WikiEN-l] Well-sourced nonsense vs. unsourced competence

2009-08-29 Thread Andrew Gray
2009/8/29 FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com: One immediate if minor advantage: old references don't get lost from the text, when their first mention is removed. There's a bot running - or, at least, was recently - that looks for unmatched ref name=whatever/ comments and digs through the article history to

Re: [WikiEN-l] Well-sourced nonsense vs. unsourced competence

2009-08-29 Thread stevertigo
FT2ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote: Actually is there a reason why refs couldn't have a separate section? The main disadvantage would be technical - revision data held in an extra field. IIRC Greg Maxwell mentioned something about this a couple years ago. He acknowledged the issue of diminished

Re: [WikiEN-l] Well-sourced nonsense vs. unsourced competence

2009-08-29 Thread FT2
Indeed. It was a milestone compared to what went before, and enabled citing to become a norm or expectation (rather than an option) in practice not just theory. But its some years on and we're in the #5 and useability... methynks we can do better still :) FT2 On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 6:31 PM,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Well-sourced nonsense vs. unsourced competence

2009-08-29 Thread stevertigo
FT2ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed. It was a milestone compared to what went before, and enabled citing to become a norm or expectation (rather than an option) in practice not just theory. But its some years on and we're in the #5 and useability... methynks we can do better still :) Well,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Well-sourced nonsense vs. unsourced competence

2009-08-29 Thread WJhonson
How do we know who twit? or tweet? When a celebrity has an official web page, we can be fairly certain that what is posted there as the core content is by their own authority. How do you do that with tweets? In a message dated 8/29/2009 12:04:01 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Well-sourced nonsense vs. unsourced competence

2009-08-29 Thread David Gerard
2009/8/29 wjhon...@aol.com: How do we know who twit? or tweet? When a celebrity has an official web page, we can be fairly certain that what is posted there as the core content is by their own authority. How do you do that with tweets? Some celeb accounts are verified. Also, if the twitter

Re: [WikiEN-l] Well-sourced nonsense vs. unsourced competence

2009-08-29 Thread David Goodman
From the excellent little book Keywords in Evolutionary Biology by Evelyn Fox Keller Elisabeth Lloyd, Adaptation, Current uses by Mary Jane West-Eberhard, An 'adaptation' is a characteristic of an organism whose form is the result of selection in a particular functional context Accordingly.

[WikiEN-l] Well-sourced nonsense vs. unsourced competence

2009-08-28 Thread stevertigo
Well-sourced junk that reads like it belongs on Simple En.wiki: '''Adaptation''' is one of the basic phenomena of biology.refWilliams, George C. 1966. ''Adaptation and natural selection: a critique of some current evolutionary thought''. Princeton. Evolutionary adaptation is a phenomenon of