2010/1/5 William Pietri will...@scissor.com:
I think we could stave off critical mass and keep painful errors pretty
low with an approach like that.
Also, uh, dudes. We have a working live example on a few thousand
existing MediaWiki installations, called Wikia.
Some of the fears listed in
Edit completion rate - someone not merely clicking edit, but
actually editing and hitting save - goes *way* up. Based on Wikia's
experience:
http://wikiangela.com/blog/end-of-2009/#comment-26732
http://twitter.com/joshuaclerner/status/3602544810
Wikitext used to be a lot simpler. Now it's
On Monday 04 Jan 2010 16:23:29 David Gerard wrote:
Edit completion rate - someone not merely clicking edit, but
actually editing and hitting save - goes *way* up. Based on Wikia's
experience:
http://wikiangela.com/blog/end-of-2009/#comment-26732
2010/1/4 Shlomi Fish shlo...@iglu.org.il:
I personally detest all WYSIWYG web-based editors. They are slow and clunky
and produce broken markup, and just get in the way. I'm also not fond of
WYSIWYG word processors and prefer using XHTML or DocBook/XML or other non-
WYSIWYG markup languages.
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 9:23 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
Edit completion rate - someone not merely clicking edit, but
actually editing and hitting save - goes *way* up. Based on Wikia's
experience:
http://wikiangela.com/blog/end-of-2009/#comment-26732
2010/1/4 Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com:
I think that, fundamentally, WYSIWYG isn't the right model for
Wikipedia or even wikis in general. What fits our model is what you
get is what you mean. We really shouldn't want most editors worrying
too much about how the page looks because its
2010/1/4 Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com:
So lets not confuse the usability goals or making editing SIMPLE,
NON-INTIMIDATING, and DISCOVERABLE all of which are very much wiki
concepts, with the values of WYSIWYG which encourages increased but
hidden complexity.
And never mind the actual
2010/1/4 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com:
2010/1/4 Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com:
So lets not confuse the usability goals or making editing SIMPLE,
NON-INTIMIDATING, and DISCOVERABLE all of which are very much wiki
concepts, with the values of WYSIWYG which encourages increased but
2010/1/4 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com:
2010/1/4 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com:
And never mind the actual numbers from Wikia, which look very like
having a WYSIWYG system for presentational markup was *the* key to
having people actually complete a planned edit rather than click
David Gerard wrote:
2010/1/4 Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com:
So lets not confuse the usability goals or making editing SIMPLE,
NON-INTIMIDATING, and DISCOVERABLE all of which are very much wiki
concepts, with the values of WYSIWYG which encourages increased but
hidden complexity.
2010/1/4 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com:
2010/1/4 Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com:
I think that, fundamentally, WYSIWYG isn't the right model for
Wikipedia or even wikis in general. What fits our model is what you
get is what you mean. We really shouldn't want most editors worrying
too
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 5:51 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote:
A half step is possible: Editing with syntax highlighting and hiding
of common blocks (i.e. references collapse down to just the tag unless
you navigate the cursor into them).
No syntax highlighting, but the rest I can
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:50 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
2010/1/4 Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com:
So lets not confuse the usability goals or making editing SIMPLE,
NON-INTIMIDATING, and DISCOVERABLE all of which are very much wiki
concepts, with the values of WYSIWYG which
I tend to agree with GM here, and am generally opposed to a WYSIWYG
editor
for a widely read wiki.
For a start, HTML renderers will output different pixels for the same
source
- for example in the case of a partially sighted person who may have
bigger text,
or people like me who often read
On 01/04/2010 11:41 AM, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
Bad presentation in the edit isn't, in my view, the biggest problem
with WYSIWYG systems the problem is that they frequently behave
inscrutably, even ones designed from the start as WYSIWYG (as opposed
to boltons as we'd have). Issues like...
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