Re: [WikiEN-l] A proposal to de-table Wikipedia infoboxes

2009-03-24 Thread Håkon Wium Lie
I wrote: > > > http://www.princexml.com/howcome/2009/wikipedia/infobox/ > > > > > > What is the likelihood of making as much as possible CSS? How to make > > > infoboxes degrade gracefully for non-CSS browsers and IE users? > > > > Youch, that's messy in IE7. Lovely though it may be,

Re: [WikiEN-l] A proposal to de-table Wikipedia infoboxes

2009-03-05 Thread Ray Saintonge
Mathias Schindler wrote: > On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Håkon Wium Lie wrote: > >> Andrew Gray wrote: >> >> However, I also think the web should not be hostage to IE6/IE7 >> forever. Some designers have declared war on IE6 for this reason: >> >> http://blog.wired.com/business/2009/02/no

Re: [WikiEN-l] A proposal to de-table Wikipedia infoboxes

2009-03-05 Thread Mathias Schindler
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Håkon Wium Lie wrote: > Andrew Gray wrote: > However, I also think the web should not be hostage to IE6/IE7 > forever. Some designers have declared war on IE6 for this reason: > >  http://blog.wired.com/business/2009/02/norwegian-websi.html There has been a debate

Re: [WikiEN-l] A proposal to de-table Wikipedia infoboxes

2009-03-03 Thread Jay Litwyn
I like two things about CSS: it permits background colours. Why could they not hav just put bgcolor="" as a new attribute in a font? Many first choices of font face are ignored for not being present, while in PDF output, you get to say "Embed TrueType as subset: YES", following Adobe's style gui

Re: [WikiEN-l] A proposal to de-table Wikipedia infoboxes

2009-03-03 Thread Carcharoth
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 1:53 AM, Daniel R. Tobias wrote: > On 3 Mar 2009 at 11:49:01 -0500, Gwern Branwen wrote: > >> All of those are pretty interesting things - what side of the road >> tells you both historical information, and also is terribly practical >> if you're there* >> >> * Although one

Re: [WikiEN-l] A proposal to de-table Wikipedia infoboxes

2009-03-03 Thread Daniel R. Tobias
On 3 Mar 2009 at 11:49:01 -0500, Gwern Branwen wrote: > All of those are pretty interesting things - what side of the road > tells you both historical information, and also is terribly practical > if you're there* > > * Although one certainly hopes that anyone driving in a particular > country wi

Re: [WikiEN-l] A proposal to de-table Wikipedia infoboxes

2009-03-03 Thread Daniel R. Tobias
On 3 Mar 2009 at 23:28:37 +1000, K. Peachey wrote: > Infoboxes are tubular data (in most cases) so they can and commonly > should be displayed in tables. They're rectangular, but you'd have to roll them up to make them tubular. :-) -- == Dan == Dan's Mail Format Site: http://mailformat.dan.i

Re: [WikiEN-l] A proposal to de-table Wikipedia infoboxes

2009-03-03 Thread Ray Saintonge
Gwern Branwen wrote: > On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Andrew Gray wrote: > >> On another note, wow. I hadn't realised how much stuff was in our >> infoboxes. The five lines of government I can understand, the two GDPs >> ditto, but do we really need a quick-reference for "proportion of area >>

Re: [WikiEN-l] A proposal to de-table Wikipedia infoboxes

2009-03-03 Thread Carcharoth
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Gwern Branwen wrote: > On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Andrew Gray wrote: >> 2009/3/3 David Gerard : >>> By Hakon Wium Lie of Opera: >>> >>> http://www.princexml.com/howcome/2009/wikipedia/infobox/ >>> >>> What is the likelihood of making as much as possible CSS? H

Re: [WikiEN-l] A proposal to de-table Wikipedia infoboxes

2009-03-03 Thread Gwern Branwen
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Andrew Gray wrote: > 2009/3/3 David Gerard : >> By Hakon Wium Lie of Opera: >> >> http://www.princexml.com/howcome/2009/wikipedia/infobox/ >> >> What is the likelihood of making as much as possible CSS? How to make >> infoboxes degrade gracefully for non-CSS browser

Re: [WikiEN-l] A proposal to de-table Wikipedia infoboxes

2009-03-03 Thread geni
2009/3/3 David Gerard : > By Hakon Wium Lie of Opera: > > http://www.princexml.com/howcome/2009/wikipedia/infobox/ > > What is the likelihood of making as much as possible CSS? How to make > infoboxes degrade gracefully for non-CSS browsers and IE users? > > > - d. Hmm it's broken in seamonkey.

Re: [WikiEN-l] A proposal to de-table Wikipedia infoboxes

2009-03-03 Thread Andrew Gray
2009/3/3 David Gerard : >> On another note, wow. I hadn't realised how much stuff was in our >> infoboxes. The five lines of government I can understand, the two GDPs >> ditto, but do we really need a quick-reference for "proportion of area >> which is water", the Gini coefficient, or the side of

Re: [WikiEN-l] A proposal to de-table Wikipedia infoboxes

2009-03-03 Thread David Gerard
2009/3/3 K. Peachey : > The author has only taken in account standards compliant browsers > (Firefox, Safari, Opera to name a few) which is wrong since they are > not 100% used, i believe IE 6 which is hardly compliant in these > matters is still at 40% usage, thats just the people visually > acce

Re: [WikiEN-l] A proposal to de-table Wikipedia infoboxes

2009-03-03 Thread K. Peachey
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 10:30 PM, David Gerard wrote: > By Hakon Wium Lie of Opera: > > http://www.princexml.com/howcome/2009/wikipedia/infobox/ > > What is the likelihood of making as much as possible CSS? How to make > infoboxes degrade gracefully for non-CSS browsers and IE users? > - d. Infobox

Re: [WikiEN-l] A proposal to de-table Wikipedia infoboxes

2009-03-03 Thread David Gerard
2009/3/3 Andrew Gray : > Youch, that's messy in IE7. Lovely though it may be, that 30-50% of > our audience would not be happy... Indeed. I emailed Hakon Lie inviting his participation, but noting that dropping even IE6, lovely as that would be, is not a happener in the foreseeable future. We ca

Re: [WikiEN-l] A proposal to de-table Wikipedia infoboxes

2009-03-03 Thread Carcharoth
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Andrew Gray wrote: > 2009/3/3 David Gerard : >> By Hakon Wium Lie of Opera: >> >> http://www.princexml.com/howcome/2009/wikipedia/infobox/ >> >> What is the likelihood of making as much as possible CSS? How to make >> infoboxes degrade gracefully for non-CSS browser

Re: [WikiEN-l] A proposal to de-table Wikipedia infoboxes

2009-03-03 Thread Andrew Gray
2009/3/3 David Gerard : > By Hakon Wium Lie of Opera: > > http://www.princexml.com/howcome/2009/wikipedia/infobox/ > > What is the likelihood of making as much as possible CSS? How to make > infoboxes degrade gracefully for non-CSS browsers and IE users? Youch, that's messy in IE7. Lovely though i