On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:48 AM, David Gerard wrote:
> 2009/4/23 Carcharoth :
>
>> OK, this *is* off-topic now.
>
> Again, I'd disagree. The topic would be how we do research effectively
> on areas we don't know much about.
I go to the re
n :)
Not sure how serious you are about the RefDesk, so will point out two
recent questions I asked:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Entertainment#Posthumous_wins_of_world_championships
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Archives/Humanities/2009_April_10#P
Let's come back in a year and see how much more the bio bits have been
expanded by.
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Falcorian
wrote:
> Absolutely.
>
> --Falcorian
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 3:19 AM, David Gerard wrote:
>
>>
>> The solution is to add more bio, not to cut the land holdings.
>>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notability_in_Wikipedia
Discuss. :-)
Carcharoth
Background:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AN#An_article_on_.22Notability.22.3F
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the
architectural merits, and quite possibly the building will be
mentioned in some other local history books - it is just that this
won't google up."
Doc's saying that people delete based on Google results.
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icle's talk page.
The debate over whether some discussions are better held at a
centralised, specialised venue, or on the article talk page, is a
long one. There are advantages and disadvantages to both approaches.
It would be good to have a discussion here about that.
Carcharoth
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eed to figure out ways to lower that number.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Please define what you mean by "slog rank/rate".
>>>
>> I've never seen nor heard the expression before either, Ray. But, here's
>> what I found:
>
over the olive-clad hills
Athenian hoplites did battle
with Spartan warriors
over the islands of the Peloponnese"
After Wikipedia Art, we have Wikipedia Poetry?
Using Wikipedia articles as the inspiration for poems?
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o state "Ancient Greece" ? And remove "The"
>> Also "was" is much shorter than "took place"
>>
>> "Peloponnesian War (431-404BC), Athens and its empire, against the
>> Spartan-led Eponymous League."
>&g
hole cities -- the Peloponnesian War
marked the dramatic end to the fifth-century-B.C. golden age of
Greece."
That told me more than the dry facts of the first sentence (which is
also needed). The initial sentence of the middle paragraph is
important as well: "Th
he_Pelopennesian_War,_431_B.C._1.JPG
There is a typo in the image text for that one: "strategies" (in the
actual image itself).
Who could correct that?
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On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Ray Saintonge wrote:
> Carcharoth wrote:
>> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:48 AM, David Gerard wrote:
>>
>>> 2009/5/5 geni :
>>>
>>>> 2009/5/5 David Gerard :
>>>>
>>>>> know in 140 characters or l
siness model is?
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Well, yes, but it claims to be free. I guess they start charging later?
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 6:56 AM, wrote:
> Business Model: We'll tell you when someone changes your page, and you
> pay us for doing that.
>
>
> Will
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-
&
ics, but those
> epithets are sterile when the cultural allusions are lost.
Half (all?) the fun is reading up about them and learning what the
context was and is now.
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To
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cristiano_Ronaldo&diff=281261008&oldid=281162798
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cristiano_Ronaldo&diff=281261088&oldid=281261008
Surely it couldn't be that simple?
Carcharoth
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Charles Matthe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/147.252.90.42
Dublin Institute of Technology, apparently.
Carcharoth
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Carcharoth wrote:
> Maybe he hit preview and never saved the edits? :-)
> Or he edited the wrong article (you never know, it could b
that would demonstrate the truth of what he is saying just shows
how little he understands how a wiki works.
Carcharoth
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Carcharoth wrote:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/147.252.90.42
>
> Dublin Institute of Technology, apparently.
>
&
31-404BC), Athens and its empire vs Spartan-led
>>> Eponymous League."
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> "Peloponnesian War (431-404BC), Athenian empire vs. Spartan-led forces."
Who, what, where, when, why, how?
Fails to give location of war and result.
Was the De
at help bring out key points.
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On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 10:56 PM, David Gerard wrote:
> http://www.mindhacks.com/blog/2009/05/the_broken.html
"Anyway, my next project is to get a line from the schizophrenia
article into a Madonna song."
LOL!
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templates spit out article text, as changes to the template
will affect not only current versions of the article, but also the old
versions of the article if you look at them in the page history.
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On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 2:16 AM, stevertigo wrote:
> Wondering how difficult to wr
le which says
> something *did* happen last week, however, I assume it's been written
> in the past few days, that it's fairly up-to-date, etc. Are we doing
> our readers a disservice by giving off these signals when the actual
> content of the article hasn't been changed?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion/Simplify_policy_RfC
Link provided above.
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ctly true, but they are very limited in what they are used
for. Mainly for contact purposes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_contact_role_accounts
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i for them to consult for
medical purposes, they should set up a separate wiki and require all
editors to identify and verify their medical credentials. There are
limits to what Wikipedia can and should do - it is not a universal
panacea.
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OK". After months and years of
nothing but vandalism addition and reverts, it is easy for stuff to
creep in without being spotted. Sometimes every article needs someone
to step back, read the whole thing, make what overall changes are
needed, and tick the box saying "an editor has read and ch
lping to "legitimise" a previous run of
vandalism edits. Always worth checking the recent history no matter
what edit you are making.
Carcharoth
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 2:34 AM, wrote:
> Of course I agree with you Carcharoth. When you revert vandalism, you
> should make sure yo
tor's contributions log, rather than the article, but I
might be wrong there.
Carcharoth
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 3:06 PM, agk wrote:
>>
>> Sam Blacketer (2009/5/25):
>
>
>> Quite often vandals will come in and keep making vandal edits until they
>> are stopped
>
>
t sure people second guessing their doctors
> will have a net benefit...
Agreed. Imagine second-guessing the *other* way round.
I was more concerned to read that nurses in hospitals were using Wikipedia.
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be bad.
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Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Biography_articles_by_quality
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Living_people
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:FA-Class_biography_ar
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Carcharoth
wrote:
> Total number of articles: 2,893,595
> Total number of articles on people: 673,918 (23.29% of all articles)
> Total number of featured biographies: 618 (0.09% of biographies)
> Total number of BLPs: 375,584 (55.73% of biograph
ia even needs to
be mentioned (we are just the middleman), but I'm sure there is some
clause somewhere that requires it.
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past, but I think that is a viable
model that should be considered as an alternative to in-house paid
editing.
*Actually, that's not the final thing. The final point I wanted to
make was about paid corporate editing versus individual wealthy
individuals paying for specific requests, versus phila
ate of publication at all. If you are lucky, you get a
generic copyright date at the bottom of the page, which usually bears
no relation to when the page was initially published or last updated.
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ing it in
userspace, a NOINDEX template should be used if the article is a BLP.
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3 years, and so on.
If that is already possible (examining the history of use of each
image), please let me know (I'm going to be uploading some pics
today).
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It's not uncommon to credit more than one user. Look at the NASA
telescope picture credit lines for examples. In practice, though,
newspapers (with limited print space) may put an abbreviated version,
or just "NASA". In books, where the practice is more usual to put a
; pic has to be stuck in a carbon cycle diagram:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Auto-and_heterotrophs.png
That's more like a game of "Where's Wally":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where%27s_Wally%3F
(That's Waldo for North American people).
Carcharoth
these two incidents
(the 2004 tsunami and 2005 London bombings) that got me interested in
editing Wikipedia. But then people start to look bored and talk about
other things.
And then I ask what sparked other people's interests in Wikipedia,
A BusStop?
Wow:
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TourBusStop
http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?TourBusStop
That's so... nice.
Carcharoth
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Charles
Matthews wrote:
> I heard of WP, as of early 2003 I suppose, on MeatBall Wiki. This sort
> of thing: http://www
.com/blog/2009/06/03/telegraph-journos-with-huge-chips-on-shoulders/
...which is an interesting blog in its own right.
In this article:
http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2009/06/19/236524/guardian-exposes-mps-expenses-to-crowdsourcing.htm
I read that the proj
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 5:41 AM, stevertigo wrote:
> I myself am wondering if anyone has seen any userboxes made into
> bumperstickers.
I'm sure I've seen some made into T-shirts.
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cally--I didn't read mine.
It might be an idea to survey new(er) users to find out this sort of thing.
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the community portal early on. However, I
didn't use it much then, and still don't use it much now. It does
point the way to some interesting places, though.
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ment or the end of the
chapters. Footnotes that might need to be read with the text, can be put at
the foot of the page or end of the chapters.
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...was and is an excellent introduction.
However, many (most?) people don't read the manual.
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roblem doing that, especially if the deleted page or template no
longer existed, or something clever was done with template coding.
Ultimately, if a page relies heavily on templates or images, a
screenshot or *real* permanent link is needed.
Carcharoth
> favourable, my reaction was "oh, good, that was the right thing to
> do". Heh.
>
> I also particularly like the final line of the article.
Worth quoting here:
"Wikipedia could not be reached for comment."
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That's a traffic spike right enough.
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On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Carcharoth wrote:
> http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/News_of_Michael_Jackson%27s_death_overloads_Internet_sites_and_sparks_hoaxes
>
> Is there anything anywhere (apart from the long thread on ANI) about
> the effect on traffic for Wikipedia?
>
> Ah. He
a wikinews page somewhere about that?
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On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:47 PM, geni wrote:
> 2009/6/26 Andrew Gray :
>> 2009/6/26 Carcharoth :
>>> http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/News_of_Michael_Jackson%27s_death_overloads_Internet_sites_and_sparks_hoaxes
>>>
>>> Is there anything anywhere (apart from the long
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Risker wrote:
> 2009/6/26 Carcharoth wrote:
>> Where do the hourly hits stats come from?
>>
> [[Wikipedia:Popular pages]] -
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Popular_pages You can check the
> history for prior hours.
Thanks
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 7:14 PM, David Gerard wrote:
> http://stereotypist.livejournal.com/131545.html
Ooh. Nice cartoon, but don't scroll down. Horrible photoshopped picture...
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ou agree that Wikipedia articles should be so
high up the search results - something I'm not always sure about). I
mean, does anyone apart from those looking for the Wikipedia article
put "Wikipedia" in the search box?
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On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Carcharoth wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Carcharoth
> wrote:
>> http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/News_of_Michael_Jackson%27s_death_overloads_Internet_sites_and_sparks_hoaxes
>>
>> Is there anything anywhere (apart from the long thr
ise (but concise) language used by the journalist.
>>
> I'm fairly certain Wikipedia was off hiking in the Appalachians when
> they tried to call.
And Wikipedia had left it's satellite phone at home...
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On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Fred Bauder wrote:
> However Wikipedia:Articles about ongoing enterprises failed to reach
> consensus.
Wouldn't it have been simpler to include a paragraph in BLP (though
that is rather big now)?
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Fred Bauder wrote:
> An example of the sort of thing we might discuss on a dispute resolution
> mailing list.
Why not discuss on this list?
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with discussions on the most widely watched policy talk pages.
As Charles said, this is a complex structure we've built here.
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On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 7:37 PM, stevertigo wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Emily Monroe wrote:
>
>> Just to add my voice in the con
-month reviews on the brain for some reason.
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Bit of a cryptic heading? I thought so too when I saw it, but it's
actually quite an interesting use of AWB:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:FRONDS
Find/Replace ON Demand Services, in case anyone hadn't worked it out.
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You might want to ask in the technical forum. Hopefully someone can
point you that way, or answer your question here.
Carcharoth
On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 10:24 PM, akhil1988 wrote:
>
> Hi All!
>
> Here's a newbie to this forum.
>
> I am looking for some references to he
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 10:59 AM, AGK wrote:
> Um, why are we giving Brion such a hard time?
Brian, not Brion. :-)
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not consulting the
> community and therefore making bad decisions. Since you asked.
>
> Now, enough meta-thread?
Seemingly not (from the other posts since).
Can someone explain in layman's terms what this programming language
thing is and how it r
I thought it was more common to try and guess *when*, not *what* the
3,000,000th article will be.
Carcharoth
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 6:00 AM, Steve Bennett wrote:
> Ok, I've brought it back.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Three-millionth_topic_pool
>
> Place your
70,000 or so articles to go. Where is the latest graph showing the
rate of article increase?
Carcharoth
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Carcharoth wrote:
> I thought it was more common to try and guess *when*, not *what* the
> 3,000,000th article will be.
>
> Carcharoth
>
> O
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Million_pool
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Carcharoth wrote:
> I thought it was more common to try and guess *when*, not *what* the
> 3,000,000th article will be.
>
> Carcharoth
>
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 6:00 AM, Steve Bennett wrote:
&
Sweepstake
Carcharoth
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Carcharoth wrote:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Million_pool
>
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Carcharoth wrote:
>> I thought it was more common to try and guess *when*, not *what* the
>> 3,000,000th ar
Goodness:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Benjamin_Mako_Hill/11BP
Carcharoth
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Carcharoth wrote:
> How silly:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_pools
>
> I'm going to go off in a huff now because the pool I started, to see
explains how to use
templates and parser functions, let alone how to construct tables
(more a WYSIWYG problem). Maybe I've been looking at the wrong pages,
but if there are pages that clearly teach people how to construct
templates and tables, I'd really like to be pointed at
w.
I think we *already* have templates that can take February 4, 1993 (or
something similar). They had some weird name, similar to the current
templates, but slightly different. I can't find them right now, but
maybe someone else remembers them?
Carcharoth
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get is carefully thought out.
There should, somewhere, be "best practice" examples of what good
merging can produce. Can anyone find them?
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the prediction in the Wikipedia eleventy billion article pool:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Benjamin_Mako_Hill/11BP#The_Last_Article
A brilliant rip-off of Asimov's "The Last Question".
Going from one end of creation to the other (and back again) is pretty
good going for one
kname=John&range=3%3A16-3%3A18
Where should that tool be discussed?
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On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Charles
Matthews wrote:
> stevertigo wrote:
>>> feed the corrupted ent?
>>>
>> Do I understand this to be a personal invective directed at me?
> It's a Tolkien reference, but I suppose if Carcharoth didn't get it, it
>
e the number of curly brackets.
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k. This option should not be unchecked by default;
> editing of the user's talk page should only be disabled in the case of
> continued abuse of the talk page.
That covers protecting user talk pages (either directly or preventing
the editor themse
osts to their user pages as
hostile, especially if they have just been blocked and are angry about
it.
Carcharoth
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 7:13 PM, Durova wrote:
> Actually, a current poll is running 38-18 in favor of treating talk page
> incivility the same as incivility anywhere else.
>
>
objections and answer questions.
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etter in future to post separately, to keep threads separate.
And Will, it's not a protected blank page. It says "The action you
have requested is limited to Checkusers."
Carcharoth
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:37 AM, wrote:
>
> And what does that protected blank p
ke the bit in the Signpost where he complained that Andrew Lih's
> book only mentioned FA twice.
Do you have a date or link for that?
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;d say "Separation of presentation and content":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_presentation_and_content
That is only a guess though.
That led me to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_You_See_Is_What_You_Mean
Which is the point where I stop writing this e-mail
ly want tweaks, you could also ask at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page
Strangely enough, even though posting in the "errors" reporting
section of the talk page for the Main Page is the wrong place to post,
you are most likely to find admins there who are not scared of editing
and they could be updated if you
asked. I suggest identifying which of the featured areas you want to
see long-term stats for, and asking at the relevant talk pages. An
approximation to these stats could be obtained by going through the
Signpost summaries.
Carcharoth
erwise it has
been an exercise in paperwork, in the (sometimes vain) hope that a
writer will come along and improve the articles.
Maybe a wikiproject with a strong and reliable history of *both*
assessment and improvement of articles could give a narrative and
timeline of how their articles hav
t;> we do manage 4 million I don't think it will be in the next 4 years.
>
>
> Here's a question: how many articles are created and deleted within 24 hours?
Are you saying the numbers could go negative?? Contraction in real-terms? :-/
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On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 5:00 PM, geni wrote:
> 2009/7/14 Carcharoth :
>> Are you saying the numbers could go negative?? Contraction in real-terms? :-/
>>
>> Carcharoth
>
> It's happened at least once. Long term it would be unlikely since most
> deletions are of n
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Sage Ross wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:00 PM, geni wrote:
>> 2009/7/14 Carcharoth :
>>> Are you saying the numbers could go negative?? Contraction in real-terms?
>>> :-/
>>>
>>> Carcharoth
>>
>> It
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Carcharoth wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Sage Ross
> wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:00 PM, geni wrote:
>>> 2009/7/14 Carcharoth :
>>>> Are you saying the numbers could go negative?? Contraction in real-term
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Carcharoth
> wrote:
>> Maybe it is time for another comedy scene depicting the first day of
>> the wiki and the nascent conflict between deletionism and
>> inclusionism?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jaranda/Wikipedia%27s_firs
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Gwern Branwen wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Carcharoth
> wrote:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jaranda/Wikipedia%27s_first_IRC_chat
>>
>> Took me long enough to find it! And it wasn't what I thought it was.
>
UK newspapers:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/jul/14/national-portrait-gallery-wikipedia-row
http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?National_Portrait_Gallery_sues_Wikipedia&in_article_id=702647&in_page_id=34
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e NPG payroll, as
they may contract that sort of work out to others.
And my guess is that the photographer or scanners or other people paid
to do this were doing nothing more nor less than as professional a job
as they could do, to earn the money they were contracted to be paid.
Not ev
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Jussi-Ville
Heiskanen wrote:
> Carcharoth wrote:
>>
>> Remember that the number of (highly skilled) staff required to
>> operate that sort of process may not show up on the NPG payroll, as
>> they may contract that sort of work out to o
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Jussi-Ville
Heiskanen wrote:
> Carcharoth wrote:
>>
>> Not everyone has noble thoughts about free culture and freeing public
>> domain material, running through their minds all the time.
>
> I hope you will forgive me.
>
> I know t
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 4:07 PM, FT2 wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Carcharoth
> wrote:
>
>> Agreed. Ironically, if the NPG *had* done photographs of the portraits
>> in their gallery settings, including the 3D frames and with lighting
>> and angle considera
marks too, pretty please?
dir /b >filenames.txt
A simple DOS command that I had to spend a fair amount of time looking up.
Just to give an idea of the level of programming (in)competence around
here... :-)
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s that we don't have to keep telling people numbers from Oct 2006 ...
Cool! I'm too lazy to look. Anything there worth discussing?
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