[WikiEN-l] Wikipedia in popular culture

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[WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia's Ireland email list

-- Forwarded message -- From: Cary Bass Date: 2009/5/12 Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Wikimedia's Ireland email list To: wikimediau...@lists.wikimedia.org Hey all, In case anyone was subscribed here from across the Irish Sea, or have any interest in Wikimedia events and happenings in

[WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] flagged revisions

-- Forwarded message -- From: Brion Vibber Date: 2009/5/19 Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] flagged revisions To: Wikimedia developers Quick update: * Yes, we do plan to roll out an English Wikipedia test setup for Flagged Revs. * There's not yet a fixed schedule for it, but I'd like

Re: [WikiEN-l] [WIKIEN-l] It's probably nothing, but ...

2009/5/24 Gwern Branwen : > I doubt it. All the old admin accounts seem to be getting _Batman_ > related emails from phantom accounts; mine, for example, was just a > lengthy quote of Joker's 'Why so serious?' speech. It's been positively identified by the checkusers as one of the most stupidly

Re: [WikiEN-l] Docs look to Wikipedia for condition info: Manhattan Research

2009/5/26 Fred Bauder : > Trying to do Biographies of living persons without a rule proved futile; > so a written policy was created. Which only works because it's NPOV/NOR/V with (a working aim for) no eventualism whatsoever. > We still don't have a corresponding > policy for organizations.

Re: [WikiEN-l] "Wikipedia Bans Scientology From Site" - Huffington Post

2009/5/30 Stephanie Clarkson : > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/29/wikipedia-bans-scientolog_n_208967.html > Aside from the atrocious and misleading headline, I find it interesting > that the Huffington Post published this, and that it is considered > notable enough to get feature billing o

[WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] en.wiki migrated to new search backend

New search for everyone. not just us! - d. -- Forwarded message -- From: Robert Stojnic Date: 2009/6/2 Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] en.wiki migrated to new search backend To: Wikimedia developers Just a quick update, a couple of days ago all of this stuff got enabled on all WMF

Re: [WikiEN-l] GDFL compliance

2009/6/4 Andrew Turvey : > It's great to see more and more people re-using Wikipedia content. such as > this: http://euobserver.com/9/28232 > However, does this comply with the GDFL license? All it says by way of > attribution is "(Photo: wikipedia)" > If not, is there a group of people somewher

Re: [WikiEN-l] GDFL compliance

2009/6/4 Andrew Turvey : > Just out of interest, what is "doing it right" in this context. Is a link to > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/Houses_of_Parliament.jpg > plus an extended text along the lines of, say, the bottom of > http://www.answers.com/topic/bahrain-football-cl

Re: [WikiEN-l] A new solution for the BLP dilemma

2009/6/5 Durova : > Obviously the bids don't cite Wikipedia.  It's not uncommon, though, for the > decision maker to run a quick Google search.  Now if exploitation is going > to happen, Wikipedia happens to be one of the easiest platforms to exploit. > Wikipedians try to manage our BLP problems,

Re: [WikiEN-l] GDFL compliance

2009/6/5 Andrew Turvey : > Can I put the question in another way: > Suppose a media company lawyer came to us and said "we've found this photo on > Wikimedia that we would like to use - how can we do this and comply with the > copyright" > What would we say in response? > Is it written down anyw

Re: [WikiEN-l] GDFL compliance

2009/6/6 AGK : >> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Reusing_content_outside_Wikimedia >> was >> written specifically to deal with this precise question. > And a very good guide it is. It would be ideal if more media organisations > followed its advice. It's useful to point people to :-

[WikiEN-l] Google thinks Wikipedia is a news source

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Re: [WikiEN-l] GDFL compliance

2009/6/6 Anthony : > "no synopsis can substitute for what the text of the > licensesays, > and if in doubt the reuser should seek a proper legal opinion" ( > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Reusing_content_outside_

Re: [WikiEN-l] Google thinks Wikipedia is a news source

2009/6/7 geni : > Perhaps more directly the recent actions of Google and Microsoft bing > suggest that part of being a modern search engine is effectively > presenting wikipedia content to people. It was certainly surprising to see Microsoft getting into directly providing a Wikipedia mirror.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Daily Mail article on Sam Blacketer case

2009/6/8 Charles Matthews : > Harry Willis wrote: >> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1191474/Labour-councillor-David-Boo >> throyd-caught-altering-David-Camerons-Wikipedia-entry.html >> (Not sure "forced to resign" is accurate, given the text of his resignation >> letter.) > The story is

Re: [WikiEN-l] Daily Mail article on Sam Blacketer case

2009/6/8 AGK : > The Daily Mail is notorious in the United Kingdom for its somewhat > sensationalist reporting. I am doubtful that the reporter tried too hard to > establish facts that would have closed down an opportunity to smear a Labour > Party politician. Remember their story on the Sciento

[WikiEN-l] European History Primary Sources portal launched

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Re: [WikiEN-l] European History Primary Sources portal launched

2009/6/8 Oskar Sigvardsson : > On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 6:14 PM, David Gerard wrote: >> http://archiv.twoday.net/stories/5748748/ >> Of course, ideally Wikipedia wants secondary sources. But this will >> still be of great use. > No Poetic Edda. Less stuff than Gutenberg.

[WikiEN-l] RFC on paid editing

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Daily Mail article on Sam Blacketer case

2009/6/10 AGK : > I must confess to growing weary of this bickering. Perhaps you both could > take your differences off-list, lest you render this thread useless? Indeed. Cool it, please. - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org T

Re: [WikiEN-l] Google thinks Wikipedia is a news source

2009/6/12 Steve Bennett : > Though maybe it depends whether new events have occurred, or whether > new information has simply come to light. You could definitely make a > case for having a few, big, detailed articles on high profile court > cases, rather than a string of tidbits. The Guardian an

Re: [WikiEN-l] Google thinks Wikipedia is a news source

2009/6/15 Fayssal F. : > It's been know since the 2005 London bombings attacks that Wikipedia is good > when it comes to evolving stories because the Wikipedia article will always > be the most complete and concentrated article about a developing event. I think our first really famous success in

[WikiEN-l] What sparked your interest in Wikipedia? (was Google thinks Wikipedia is a news source)

2009/6/15 Carcharoth : > And then I ask what sparked other people's interests in Wikipedia, and > a really long thread results. My wife suggested in late 2003 I look something up on "Wikipedia." I started off in a quiet and noncontroversial manner, first editing stuff about neo-Nazis then editin

Re: [WikiEN-l] The London Review of Books on Wikipedia

2009/6/16 Steve Bennett : > On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 4:03 AM, Charles > Matthews wrote: >> "... encyclopedias have been made better by the advent of the internet, >> but newspapers have been made worse: the cumulative impact of the >> readers’ comments that can now be appended online to almost any a

[WikiEN-l] I love SEOs

and never think they're spamming feckwits who should be nuked from orbit in short order. http://www.wolf-howl.com/grayhat-seo/invalidate-wikipedia-articles/ (I'm sure JEHochman would love a large anvil to fall on people like this ;-) - d. ___ WikiEN

Re: [WikiEN-l] Ramifications to wikipedians of unmasking of police blogger?

2009/6/16 AGK : > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/8103132.stm > One wonders what ramifications the High Court's decision in the "Night Jack" > case has for UK wikipedians. Should we approach pseudonymous editing with a > different perspective, now that the court has confirmed itself as unwilling

Re: [WikiEN-l] I love SEOs

2009/6/16 James Farrar : > I like the way they say "Comments on this entry are closed." Are they scared > of something? ;) Because last time he ran one of these a lot of people called him an odious arsehole. For some reason. - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailin

Re: [WikiEN-l] Hi there, everybody!

2009/6/18 Emily Monroe : > I'm known as "I dream of horses" on Wikipedia. My real name is Emily, > but a lot of people call me Em for short. I am 19 years old. I like > music, particularly rock, and instrumental music. I also like to > exercise, and to fidget. I am a lacto-ovo vegetarian. > I am i

Re: [WikiEN-l] Hi there, everybody!

2009/6/18 stevertigo : > To wrap this up, people-oriented people have always helped very much to > create a more integrated community. Those that get themselves involved in > content issues often help to keep things from blowing up. And some have even > been entrusted by the community to positions

Re: [WikiEN-l] The London Review of Books on Wikipedia

2009/6/21 Cormac Lawler : > I think what's interesting here is asking: how does Wikipedia harness the > energy of the public (for want of a better word) in a way that can be more > productive, useful (or at least less brain-sporkingly nonsensical) than a > newspaper open comment section does? What

Re: [WikiEN-l] Google Starts Including Wikipedia on Its News Site

2009/6/22 Fred Bauder : > Such awesome responsibility we have now... > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/22/technology/internet/22wiki.html > This includes an explanation of why these links were seen only occasionally. "So, in essence, many Wikipedia articles are another way that the work of news p

Re: [WikiEN-l] Google Starts Including Wikipedia on Its News Site

2009/6/22 Thomas Dalton : > Journalists use each other's work all the time without, as far as I > know, paying each other anything. It's a completely ridiculous > complaint. I made it a comment on the story too. You may wish to add your paragraph. http://community.nytimes.com/comments/www.nytim

Re: [WikiEN-l] Google Starts Including Wikipedia on Its News Site

2009/6/22 Charles Matthews : > DG, lighten up on Noam Cohen a bit - he seems more disposed to be fair > to us than when I met him in Taipei in 2007, and seemed surprised that > any Wikipedians were actually, like, serious.  His point was factual > even if you may think it is misdirection. I took

Re: [WikiEN-l] Google Starts Including Wikipedia on Its News Site

2009/6/22 Fred Bauder : > I set this up as Category:Currently linked to from Google News > but notice that extremely rapid modification of the main page of Google > News results in frequent removal and addition of links. Our list could > never be current or complete, but might still be useful if a

Re: [WikiEN-l] Google Starts Including Wikipedia on Its News Site

2009/6/22 Charles Matthews : > Of course it's economics telling here, and the fact that newspapers > weren't smart enough to set up a cartel a decade or more ago, so that > online news would be subscriber-only. And that they're blaming Google, because Google is making money therefore (for some r

Re: [WikiEN-l] Google Starts Including Wikipedia on Its News Site

2009/6/22 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen : > Charles Matthews wrote: >> David Gerard wrote: >>> http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1&storycode=43823&c=1 >> Interesting. They're attempting to raise money by circulating people >> saying "y

Re: [WikiEN-l] Nofollow and sister projects

2009/6/24 Andrew Gray : > My understanding is that anything which goes to a URL - a "one-bracket > link" - gets treated as an external link and is nofollowed, regardless > of where it goes; anything created as a wikimarkup link, *including* > interwiki links, is treated as internal and escapes.

Re: [WikiEN-l] NY Times: Wired Editor Apologizes for Copying from Wikipedia in New Book

2009/6/24 Durova : > Wired also used one of my featured picture restorations without credit. Credit for the original, or credit for the restoration? - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, v

Re: [WikiEN-l] NY Times: Wired Editor Apologizes for Copying from Wikipedia in New Book

2009/6/24 Durova : > Well, taking a first stab at this.  Here's my letter to Wired: > Per the recent New York Times admission that one of your editors plagiarized > content from Wikipedia uncredited, I respectfully request credit for media > work of mine that Wired has reproduced without credit.

Re: [WikiEN-l] NY Times: Wired Editor Apologizes for Copying from Wikipedia in New Book

2009/6/25 Siobhan Hansa : > Steve Bennett wrote: >> And why do you care anyway? Vanity? Curiosity? Is it that important? >> Is a little piece of text on some idiot's webpage the difference >> between you contributing your time next time and not? Is the >> gratification of your name in cyberspace y

Re: [WikiEN-l] Nofollow and sister projects

2009/6/26 Charles Matthews : > Fine. So "assume good faith" is not the de facto standard on the > Internet.  "Assume convoluted conspiracy" is closer to being the de > facto standard on some forums, to put it bluntly. The reason AGF is a > good idea for WP is that we have work to do; we can useful

Re: [WikiEN-l] NY Times: Wired Editor Apologizes for Copying from Wikipedia in New Book

2009/6/25 phoebe ayers : > We give people a lovely pre-made citation on each and every page! > Every major style manual includes explicit directions on how to cite > websites! Every academic paper ever published about Wikipedia has > grappled with this problem and come up with some sort of solutio

Re: [WikiEN-l] Internet traffic spikes due to Michael Jackson's death

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Dispute resolution mailing list

2009/6/28 Thomas Dalton : > 2009/6/28 stevertigo : >> Because this is not a dispute resolution mailing list, as it once was. The >> dispute resolution mailing lists - are now closed-source. > I've been on this list for years, I don't remember it ever being a DR list. It used to be a place to se

Re: [WikiEN-l] NY Times: Wired Editor Apologizes for Copying from Wikipedia in New Book

2009/6/28 Andrew Turvey : > Open question: do you think the Foundation and/or local chapters should > complain more when their local media fail to respect Wikimedia copyrights? I think actively asking nicely would be a good idea. Particularly when several people ask them. Eventually they will g

Re: [WikiEN-l] NY Times: Wired Editor Apologizes for Copying from Wikipedia in New Book

2009/6/29 geni : > 2009/6/29 David Gerard : >> I think actively asking nicely would be a good idea. Particularly when >> several people ask them. Eventually they will get the idea: FREE STOCK >> PHOTOS just give credit and licence. > Only if you consider CC-BY-SA to be we

Re: [WikiEN-l] News agencies are not RSs

2009/6/29 geni : > Lightly labeling a source unreliable is problematical. There is no evidence this has ever stopped anyone on Wikipedia from doing so. - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:News suppression (was: News agencies are not RSs)

2009/6/30 Apoc 2400 : > Regarding the recent discussion, I have made a draft proposal at > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:News_suppression I'd rather cover it using the expectation that editors not be stupid. That's actually a rule listed on Meta. “Keeping details out of a Wikipedia art

Re: [WikiEN-l] News agencies are not RSs

2009/6/30 : > Was there rationale given for the stifling ?  That's the issue.  If it's > reported in Al Jazeera and stifled on Wikipedia is there some explanation > given for why? You keep saying it was reported by Al Jazeera. It wasn't. - d. ___ W

Re: [WikiEN-l] MediaWiki is getting a new programming language

2009/7/2 Carcharoth : > Can someone explain in layman's terms what this programming language > thing is and how it relates to templates? OK. Open a complicated template. Let's use {{infobox actor}} here. Look at the wikitext, and you'll see a sea of goop like this: |image= {{#if:{{{imag

Re: [WikiEN-l] MediaWiki is getting a new programming language

2009/7/3 Steve Bennett : > The thing I find astonishing is that people are willing to work with > these templates and actually maintain them. I've coded regexes, tcl, > sh, prolog, haskell, C..., but I have absolutely no desire to get this > crap on my hands. > Anyone know if the people who work w

Re: [WikiEN-l] Bible websites

2009/7/6 stevertigo : > Hm. Of course, Tim is right - if its public/open domain then > wikisource should host it and we will then link to it. The issue with > the hebtools site/script is that most of its links go to BibleGateway. >  Obviously the current script's sources need to be changed to incl

Re: [WikiEN-l] Bible websites

2009/7/6 Charles Matthews : >> Is there anything that will show the same verse in several >> translations at once? That would be ideal - highly educational. That >> would require something less like wiki pages and more like a database >> at the other end. Or someone laboriously compiling wiki page

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:News suppression (was: News agencies are not RSs)

2009/7/3 Delirium : > Durova wrote: >> With respect and appreciation extended toward Apoc2400, it's dubious that >> there would be a need for a separate policy to cover this rare situation. >> At most, a line or two in existing policy would articulate the matter. > In practice this is dealt with

Re: [WikiEN-l] Bible websites

2009/7/6 David Goodman : > The current practice in many academic publications on religion  for > non specialists seems usually to use the NIV,  and often add the KJ V > if substantially different. > If however one is discussing English literature, one would just link to the > KJV > I therefore do

Re: [WikiEN-l] Bible websites

2009/7/6 Magnus Manske : > You're right. To atone for my sins, here the auto-comparing toolserver > tool I hacked since my first mail: > http://toolserver.org/~magnus/biblebay.php?bookname=John&range=3%3A16-3%3A18 :-O That would be more or less precisely what I was thinking of. Well done! - d.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Bible websites

2009/7/7 David Gerard : > 2009/7/6 Magnus Manske : >> You're right. To atone for my sins, here the auto-comparing toolserver >> tool I hacked since my first mail: >> http://toolserver.org/~magnus/biblebay.php?bookname=John&range=3%3A16-3%3A18 > :-O That would be

Re: [WikiEN-l] Bible websites

2009/7/7 Carcharoth : > Take a look at the prediction in the Wikipedia eleventy billion article pool: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Benjamin_Mako_Hill/11BP#The_Last_Article > A brilliant rip-off of Asimov's "The Last Question". Humanity: LOLBOT, CAN WE REVERSE ENTROPY? LOLbot: i dunno lol

Re: [WikiEN-l] Bible websites

2009/7/7 Carcharoth : > I believe somewhere in all this, there was some working code. What > more needs doing to make that go live, or to propose to take it live? > Magnus Manske: "You're right. To atone for my sins, here the > auto-comparing toolserver > tool I hacked since my first mail" > http:

Re: [WikiEN-l] MediaWiki is getting a new programming language

2009/7/7 Sheldon Rampton : > If you look at Wikipedia pages and really compare them to what has now > become state-of-the-art website design, it's hard to avoid the > conclusion that Wikipedia looks a lot like Web 1.0 rather than Web > 2.0. I'd call that a feature. Content is King. I used the cl

Re: [WikiEN-l] MediaWiki is getting a new programming language

2009/7/8 : >  My entire point Neil was simply that, "short-time-to-learn" should also be a > consideration.? To me, a language that borrows heavily from an *already > known* source like English or even BASIC is easier to learn, than one which > requires that every command be learned again with

Re: [WikiEN-l] wexperts.net/

2009/7/9 stevertigo : > On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 4:57 AM, Fred Bauder wrote: >> http://www.wexperts.net/ > Context? Yours? I wonder if it was started by a Wikipedian to troll. - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe

[WikiEN-l] Grape Lane (euph.)

I can hardly believe there was no angst here, of all places, on yesterday's featured article. Did someone fail to think of the fictional children? Good discussion on Raul's talk page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Raul654#Today.27s_featured_article - d. ___

Re: [WikiEN-l] Grape Lane (euph.)

2009/7/10 geni : > It got 207K pageviews over the day. Previous days featured article > only got 31.9K. Apparently our readership in general likes 13th > century British history. Damn you that was a coffee moment. - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list Wiki

[WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Proposal: switch to HTML 5

Plans for shifting Wikimedia to HTML5, probably starting with en:wp Main Page. (Simetrical is quite keen on this change, as apart from anything else it'll cut our served page size *after gzipping* by 5-20%.) HTML5 is the new HTML standard. It's specifically been written be backward compatible wit

Re: [WikiEN-l] Featured churn

2009/7/13 Matthew Brown : > My long-time observation is that the people who obsess about FA over > the long term want to keep the number of articles with that status > approximately constant by making the standards more and more difficult > to meet. Many have stated this directly on WT:FAC. -

Re: [WikiEN-l] Featured churn

2009/7/14 Charles Matthews : > I think you're probably right that a new departure needs to be made: > we're at best mediocre at devising new "recognition mechanisms". How > about a project aimed (since we are coming up to three million articles) > at shifting the balance of stubs and other really

Re: [WikiEN-l] Featured churn

2009/7/14 Ian Woollard : > I don't see any evidence for an asymptote at all yet. > We're only about ~1300 per day now, and the trend is clearly > downwards, on a *log* graph of *percentage* growth against time it's a > straightish line downwards, and the size of the wiki seems to be > plateauing;

[WikiEN-l] What was our youngest admin again?

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Re: [WikiEN-l] MediaWiki is getting a new programming language

2009/7/17 Steve Bennett : > PLEASE MISTER COMPUTER I HAVE TWO NUMBERS CAN YOU ADD THEM TOGETHER > AND PRINT OUT THE FIRST ONE THEN A PLUS SIGN THEN THE SECOND ONE THEN > AN EQUALS SIGN THEN THE ANSWER? OH AND IF THEY'RE NOT NUMBERS, PRINT > OUT ERROR. KTHXBYE. Insufficient politeness. > Oh, th

Re: [WikiEN-l] MediaWiki is getting a new programming language

2009/7/17 Steve Bennett : > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:20 PM, David Gerard wrote: >> Insufficient politeness. > Mmm, INTERCAL. I am most pleased you spotted that. But OH MY GOD we need template syntax written in LOLCODE. I mean, we REALLY REALLY need template syntax written in

[WikiEN-l] Ahhh, physics cranks

Physics cranks drive so much. They were responsible for our "No Original Research" rule, and now they've forked arXiv.org: http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/39845 viXra.org is for the stuff even arXiv.org doesn't want. It appears to be driven by cranks getting butthurt at being put into th

Re: [WikiEN-l] Ahhh, physics cranks

2009/7/17 Michael Peel : > On a en.wp note: I assume that arXiv counts as a (mostly) reliable > site to reference? It will be interesting to see whether Vixra will > also be, although I guess it'll be a case of each individual paper/ > author set being taken on its own merits. Depends. It's a pr

Re: [WikiEN-l] Ahhh, physics cranks

2009/7/17 Thomas Dalton : > Not really. For the kind of things you get on arXiv "reliable" is > usually taken to mean "peer-reviewed", so you would cite the journal > the paper was published in. You might link to the arXiv version for > convenience, but you would be citing the journal, not arXiv.

[WikiEN-l] At last, a new stats run for en:wp!

http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaEN.htm http://infodisiac.com/blog/2009/07/new-statistics-for-the-english-wikipedia/ http://infodisiac.com/blog/2009/07/new-statistics-for-the-english-wikipedia-2/ This means that we don't have to keep telling people numbers from Oct 2006 ... - d. ___

Re: [WikiEN-l] At last, a new stats run for en:wp!

2009/7/18 Carcharoth : > On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 9:53 AM, David Gerard wrote: >> http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaEN.htm > Cool! I'm too lazy to look. Anything there worth discussing? Look at that URL at least. You'll see the data for our recent discussion o

[WikiEN-l] So when do we send a bill to AP?

http://idealink.vijtable.com/2009/07/17/associated-press-its-okay-if-we-do-it/ Or a suggested donation to WMF, perhaps. - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.o

Re: [WikiEN-l] Copyright question

2009/7/18 Carcharoth : > Could someone link to Erik Moeller's blog post and to any of the press > releases from the WMF? There's been no press releases from WMF as such - Mike Godwin is, funnily enough, treating this as a legal issue, i.e. a combination of chess and poker. Though Erik's post pr

Re: [WikiEN-l] So when do we send a bill to AP?

2009/7/18 geni : > 2009/7/18 David Gerard : >> http://idealink.vijtable.com/2009/07/17/associated-press-its-okay-if-we-do-it/ >> Or a suggested donation to WMF, perhaps. > Unless AP actually wins their argument that very short extracts from > news articles are copyvios I th

Re: [WikiEN-l] Copyright question

2009/7/18 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen : > What is most striking to my mind in this issue of > use of images, is how the status quo differs from > that with regard to _texts_. Yes. One has to keep in mind, of course, that the NPG is qualitatively different to most museums, and behaves much more like Go

Re: [WikiEN-l] Copyright question

2009/7/18 Carcharoth : > On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Jussi-Ville > Heiskanen wrote: >> Any chance of Wikimedia UK (the chapter) applying >> for a membership of BAPLA? Or would they be considered >> "insufficiently commercial"? > Commons would be the equivalent constituent unit of the Wikimed

Re: [WikiEN-l] News suppression: Did it use Oversight or RevisionDelete?

2009/7/18 Luna : > Obviously I can't speak to specifics, but especially when talking with > people outside the usual Wikipedia sphere, it's all too easy to get vague > about terms. Take deletion as an example: if something's "deleted", was the > text deleted from the current revision, was the revi

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:Paradoxes

2009/7/16 Jay Litwyn : > Here is the simple way to explain why the answer to any paradox is no. > Can God crush an uncrushable stone? > If God exists, then the uncrushable stone does not. > If an uncrushable stone exists, then God does not. "Emacs can create a core dump it can't edit." - d. _

[WikiEN-l] NYT: Wikipedia May Be a Font of Facts, b ut It’s a Desert for Photos

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/20/arts/20funny.html One error on licensing. Claim that Wikipedia requires you to give up your copyright unchallenged. Otherwise, pretty good! And should have the right effect in terms of promo photo donations. - d. ___

Re: [WikiEN-l] Copyright question

2009/7/20 FT2 : > Are UK legal rulings public domain? Or just US rulings? I understand that Wikisource treats all laws everywhere as public domain; don't know about court rulings. - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubs

Re: [WikiEN-l] NYT: Wikipedia May Be a Font of Facts, b ut It’s a Desert for Photos

2009/7/21 Andrew Gray : > 2009/7/21 Carcharoth : >> Yes, you are right. So how did we get to OTRS instead of directing >> people to the Upload button? I'm confused now. I'm sure there was a >> reason for using OTRS instead of telling people to Upload. I think the > I believe one of the main issue

[WikiEN-l] Inspired by the NPG row

For our UK readers: http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/artphotos/ (I've alerted the author that the NPG has not in fact threatened WMF itself) - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: htt

[WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords

fyi -- Forwarded message -- From: Sage Ross Date: 2009/7/22 Subject: [Wikitech-l] Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords To: wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org I'm not sure what to do about this; it seems like a good idea but a major security risk: http:

Re: [WikiEN-l] When an article is in full protection.

2009/7/23 WereSpielChequers : > Does anyone really object to the idea of admins responding to a request for > admin help by editing a fully protected page in accordance with talkpage > consensus? This usually works okay in practice, but then, that too is an administrative role, rather than an ad

Re: [WikiEN-l] When an article is in full protection.

2009/7/23 David Gerard : > This usually works okay in practice, but then, that too is an > administrative role, rather than an admin making a content decision as > such, and needs to be confirmed sensibly. > e.g. "I've added , does that work for everyone?" >

Re: [WikiEN-l] When an article is in full protection.

2009/7/23 Ken Arromdee : > On Thu, 23 Jul 2009, David Gerard wrote: >> A good example is the death of Michael Jackson, where the page was >> locked and the discussion was fast and furious. Being a sensitive BLP >> (at the time), that was IMO just the right way to do it. Admi

[WikiEN-l] BBC: Bill Thompson: Wikipedia is flawed and that's OK

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/digitalrevolution/2009/07/wikipedia.shtml "But Wikipedia is flawed in the way Ely Cathedral is flawed, imperfect in the way a person you love is imperfect, and filled with conflict and disagreement in the way a good conference or an effective parliament is filled with ar

[WikiEN-l] Brand Republic: BBC Radio 4 launches Wikipedia parody

http://www.brandrepublic.com/News/922216/BBC-Radio-4-launches-Wikipedia-parody/ "LONDON - BBC Radio 4 is launching a "broadwebcasting" show parodying the internet by mocking pop-ups, search boxes and other aspects of online activity. Produced and directed by Pozzitive, the four-part series is call

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikitech-l] Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords

Update: The developer of watchlistr is now discussing on wikitech-l how to do this on the toolserver, and how to authenticate without passwords being saved on the toolserver (which is not allowed). Further detail no doubt to come :-) - d. 2009/7/22 David Gerard : > fyi > From: Sag

Re: [WikiEN-l] Brand Republic: BBC Radio 4 launches Wikipedia parod y

2009/7/23 kgnp...@gmail.com : > Parodies are compliments in my book.  Sarcasm to flattery and all that.  Look > forward to a US available link. It'll be on the iPlayer, so UK people can listen again later and theoretically record it to put up somewhere. The thing to remember is how ridiculousl

Re: [WikiEN-l] Brand Republic: BBC Radio 4 launches Wikipedia parody

2009/7/23 Charles Matthews : > David Gerard wrote: >> http://www.brandrepublic.com/News/922216/BBC-Radio-4-launches-Wikipedia-parody/ >> "LONDON - BBC Radio 4 is launching a "broadwebcasting" show parodying >> the internet by mocking pop-ups, search boxes and

Re: [WikiEN-l] Brand Republic: BBC Radio 4 launches Wikipedia parody

2009/7/24 KillerChihuahua : > Remember how excited we used to be when Wikipedia was mentioned in the news? *cough* yes. - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia

Re: [WikiEN-l] Brand Republic: BBC Radio 4 launches Wikipedia parod y

2009/7/24 Charles Matthews : > Actually bigipedia.org exists (it's a wiki running MediaWiki, consisting > only of Main Page and Talk:Main Page as of right now). I think a bunch > of us should take it over - how about a parody of BBC Radio 4 comedy? > Nah, soft target. The Archers? Registered 25

[WikiEN-l] If anyone ever says Wikipedia is too deletionist

Point them at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo_%28dog%29 - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

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