Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Thinking about the future

2013-09-28 Thread Maarten Dammers
Hi Beat, I've been thinking about the future too. I wanted to send something in October, but it looks like we already started. As you know I was one of the people who started Wiki Loves Monuments a couple of years ago and I organized it for three years (Netherlands 2010, Netherlands/Europe 201

Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Thinking about the future

2013-09-28 Thread WereSpielChequers
I'm with Ilario on this. This year we had about fifty countries participate, but there are many more which could take part in a "natural" features event. Take Georgia for example, like most ex-soviet states it has a non-commercial freedom of panorama, and very few old monuments in the cities where

Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Thinking about the future

2013-09-27 Thread Sarah Stierch
The Program Evaluation & Design team is here when needed. Evaluation is voluntary, and can only help to show you what an impact your program (i.e. WLM) is making, and to see how you can make a bigger impact, especially for "less bang for your buck" as we say in the US (meaning "more impact for less

Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Thinking about the future

2013-09-27 Thread Lodewijk
I disagree: the volunteers are extremely important in every aspect of deciding if, which and how there will be a contest. Without a drive of the volunteers for the topic and method of the competition, nothing will happen successfully. Lots of stuff went wrong this year - and most of it was fixed by

Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Thinking about the future

2013-09-27 Thread Ilario Valdelli
I agree, but you are not speaking about doing or not doing a photo contest next year, but to change the objectives. I may understand if you would switch the contest by writing poems and not taking photos, in this case the volunteers involvement is important, but the discussion is mainly to define

Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Thinking about the future

2013-09-27 Thread Katie Chan
My personal thoughts, and obviously dependent on the availability of volunteers over here etc. I believe the UK will want to participate in an 'international photo competition' around this time next year. However, we may also want to run Wiki Loves Monuments locally even if there isn't an internat

Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Thinking about the future

2013-09-27 Thread Lodewijk
Please note that I said we should have this discussion by the end of October, not a few months before the event. The quality of the discussion and the success of the ongoing competition is more important to me than how convenient it is for the budget planning of individual chapters. They can work

Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Thinking about the future

2013-09-27 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Let's explain why it may be important not to have a clear picture but at least to define the strategy for 2014... some countries are defining the budget for 2014, mainly for FDC, and they have to define the project plan for next year. If WLM is not done, I suppose that there would be a general dis

Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Thinking about the future

2013-09-27 Thread Lodewijk
Again, I suggest we have this discussion in October :) We still have a lot of work to be done, and that makes it harder to be honest while keeping up motivation too. I'm not sure if a 'formal' evaluation process would be helpful here - most of the measures won't be available. There will be an eval

Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Thinking about the future

2013-09-27 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Honestly I would suggest a competition which will not face copyright problems. A Wiki Loves Earth will give less problems than a Wiki Loves Arts. I don't remember that animals or plants can ask for fee or for copyrights or for privacy. Some countries like Italy, for instance, will have to do a lo

Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Thinking about the future

2013-09-27 Thread Charles Andrès
Hello Lodewijk, I want to thank you for this statement, I think it's really important that you give the signal that it may be the time to take the time to think about the future of WLM in other words than just "how we do it again". In Switzerland I've been really critical about WLM the last two

Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Thinking about the future

2013-09-27 Thread Àlex Hinojo
Hi all, I do agree with Lodewijk. Once the contest is finished, we need to have some calmed discussion on what do we want 2014 to be. Some contests have raisen up and we all have pro/cons feelings and experiences. Some options have already been raised. We could also use some of the program evalua

Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Thinking about the future

2013-09-26 Thread rupert THURNER
>From the experiences made co organizing the first wlm in Switzerland and helping out with the first wlm in Ghana i can fully support what lodewijk is writing. Having one big international competition helps a lot locally. And having the same initiative every year bears the risk of tiring out the pa

Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Thinking about the future

2013-09-26 Thread Estermann Beat
g, 26. September 2013 15:37 To: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition Cc: Estermann Beat Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Thinking about the future As I also indicated elsewhere, I have my doubts about some of these conclusions. Yes, there's enthusiasm for many different initiatives (the

Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Thinking about the future

2013-09-26 Thread Ilario Valdelli
I had an interesting discussion with a professional photographer of animals. I invited him to participate to WLM and he refused because the modality to take a photo of an animal is different from the monument one. The monument doesn't move... so I agree that the objective has to be changed instea

Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Thinking about the future

2013-09-26 Thread Lodewijk
As I also indicated elsewhere, I have my doubts about some of these conclusions. Yes, there's enthusiasm for many different initiatives (the session at Wikimania had a focus on improving the concept and surfacing innovation), but we should reconsider the picture as a whole. I'm not convinced that w

Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Thinking about the future

2013-09-25 Thread Ganesh Paudel
Hi Beat and all, Conducting Wiki Loves Earth and Wiki Loves Public Art are good to start. We have many media in the commons especially photographs unused in any project. Wiki-RIC concept is to have a photo campaign for meaningful use. That's why it is considered important and rated highest in the

[Wiki Loves Monuments] Thinking about the future

2013-09-25 Thread Estermann Beat
Dear all, Today, I have transferred the documentation of the Wiki Loves Monuments Future Workshop (Wikimania 2013, Hong Kong) to the WLM portal: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013/WLM_Future_Workshop Given the results of the workshop and the feedbacks received f