Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fire Drill Re: Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-17 Thread Anthony
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:06 AM, John wrote: > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:52 AM, Anthony wrote: >> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:22 AM, John wrote: >> > Anthony the process is linear, you have a php inserting X number of rows >> > per >> > Y time frame. >> >> Amazing.  I need to switch all my databas

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fire Drill Re: Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-17 Thread J Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov
I'd like to point out that the increasingly technical nature of this conversation probably belongs either on wikitech-l, or off-list, and that the strident nature of the comments is fast approaching inappropriate. Alex Wikimedia-l list administrator 2012/5/17 Anthony > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fire Drill Re: Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-17 Thread Anthony
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 7:27 AM, J Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov wrote: > I'd like to point out that the increasingly technical nature of this > conversation probably belongs either on wikitech-l, or off-list, and that > the strident nature of the comments is fast approaching inappropriate. Really? I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fire Drill Re: Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-17 Thread Anthony
Please have someone at WMF coordinate this so that there aren't multiple requests made. In my opinion, it should preferably be made by a WMF employee. Fill out the form at https://aws-portal.amazon.com/gp/aws/html-forms-controller/aws-dataset-inquiry Tell them you want to create a public data se

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-17 Thread emijrp
The only issues for Wikimedia projects perservation/forking by third parties are the missing image dumps (which are being created since some days ago, thanks Ariel) and the usernames/passwords table (not a big problem in an apocalyptic scenario, where articles and images have top priority). We at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fire Drill Re: Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-17 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 17 May 2012 12:43, Anthony wrote: > In fact, I think someone at WMF should contact Amazon and see if > they'll let us conduct the experiment for free, in exchange for us > creating the dump for them to host as a public data set > (http://aws.amazon.com/publicdatasets/). What dump are you going

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fire Drill Re: Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-17 Thread Anthony
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:11 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > On 17 May 2012 12:43, Anthony wrote: >> In fact, I think someone at WMF should contact Amazon and see if >> they'll let us conduct the experiment for free, in exchange for us >> creating the dump for them to host as a public data set >> (htt

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-17 Thread emijrp
They are XML dumps. Why did you say they are semi-useless? I'm not sure if all the MediaWiki revision table parameters are available in the XML dumps, but most of them are. 2012/5/17 Anthony > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:01 AM, emijrp wrote: > > We at WikiTeam are uploading wiki dumps to Interne

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-17 Thread Tom Morris
WARNING: The following post is a work of technical fantasy rather than practical reality. On the usernames and passwords thing, if we imagine our doomsday scenario (meteor hits the WMF data centre, the Foundation turn into evil psychopathic Nazis, whatever), one thing that might be useful and a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-17 Thread Anthony
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:22 AM, emijrp wrote: > They are XML dumps. Why did you say they are semi-useless? Because they are XML dumps, mainly. The data in the WMF database is compressed in a format which can be easily randomly accessed. The dump procedure is to uncompress it, convert it to XML

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-17 Thread Anthony
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Tom Morris wrote: > We could also consider the possibility of allowing users to use OpenID or > OAuth or whatever the web identity mechanism du jour is to allow loose > affiliation of usernames between MediaWiki installs. That way you can > establish the link be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-17 Thread Tom Morris
On Thursday, 17 May 2012 at 13:34, Anthony wrote: > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Tom Morris (mailto:t...@tommorris.org)> wrote: > > We could also consider the possibility of allowing users to use OpenID or > > OAuth or whatever the web identity mechanism du jour is to allow loose > > affilia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-17 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 17 May 2012 13:32, Anthony wrote: > Because they are XML dumps, mainly.  The data in the WMF database is > compressed in a format which can be easily randomly accessed. It's a dump. It's not supposed to be randomly accessed. We're talking about archives, not mirrors. _

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-17 Thread Anthony
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > On 17 May 2012 13:32, Anthony wrote: >> Because they are XML dumps, mainly.  The data in the WMF database is >> compressed in a format which can be easily randomly accessed. > > It's a dump. Not really. Yes, it's called that. And historic

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fire Drill Re: Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-17 Thread Neil Harris
On 17/05/12 12:49, Anthony wrote: Please have someone at WMF coordinate this so that there aren't multiple requests made. In my opinion, it should preferably be made by a WMF employee. Fill out the form at https://aws-portal.amazon.com/gp/aws/html-forms-controller/aws-dataset-inquiry Tell them

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fire Drill Re: Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-17 Thread Kim Bruning
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 07:43:09AM -0400, Anthony wrote: > > In fact, I think someone at WMF should contact Amazon and see if > they'll let us conduct the experiment for free, in exchange for us > creating the dump for them to host as a public data set > (http://aws.amazon.com/publicdatasets/).

[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: IRC office hours with Kul and Amit, about Wikipedia Zero and other mobile work

2012-05-17 Thread Steven Walling
Just a reminder that this is happenening this morning. -- Forwarded message -- From: "Steven Walling" Date: May 3, 2012 4:01 PM Subject: IRC office hours with Kul and Amit, about Wikipedia Zero and other mobile work To: Hi everyone, On May 17th at 16:00 UTC, Kul Wadhwa (Head of

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing 2 Community Fellows

2012-05-17 Thread Siko Bouterse
It is my great pleasure to introduce two new Community Fellows in the Wikimedia Fellows Program: Tanvir Rahman and Steven Zhang. Tanvir Rahman is a Wikimedian who serves the movement locally and globally, both on- and off-wiki. Tanvir has been an active editor of Bengali Wikipedia since 2009, he h

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing 2 Community Fellows

2012-05-17 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Siko Bouterse wrote: > It is my great pleasure to introduce two new Community Fellows in the > Wikimedia Fellows Program: Tanvir Rahman and Steven Zhang. Congratulations to the both of you, best wishes for your fellowships. -- ~Keegan http://en.wikipedia.org/

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing 2 Community Fellows

2012-05-17 Thread Nasir Khan
Congratulations to the both Tanvir and Steven :) On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Siko Bouterse >wrote: > > > It is my great pleasure to introduce two new Community Fellows in the > > Wikimedia Fellows Program: Tanvir Rahman and Steven

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing 2 Community Fellows

2012-05-17 Thread Nurunnaby Chowdhury
wow..congrtz Tanvir.. On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 9:32 PM, Siko Bouterse wrote: > It is my great pleasure to introduce two new Community Fellows in the > Wikimedia Fellows Program: Tanvir Rahman and Steven Zhang. > > Tanvir Rahman is a Wikimedian who serves the movement locally and > globally, both o

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing 2 CommunityFellows

2012-05-17 Thread Ms. Anne Frazer
Congratulations to Tanvir Rahman and Steven Zhang on the announcement of them being award the honour of 'Community Fellow'. In particular we wish to pass on our congratulations to Wikimedia Australia Member, Steve Zhang, for receiving the award and wish him every success with what promises to

[Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread Howie Fung
Everyone, It’s my pleasure to announce that James Forrester is joining our San Francisco office as a Technical Product Analyst, supporting the Visual Editor team. James started his work as a remote contractor yesterday and will be joining us in San Francisco later this year as a staff member. Jam

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread Thomas Dalton
James, you're emigrating? I never thought I'd see that... Congratulations, traitor! On 17 May 2012 17:52, Howie Fung wrote: > Everyone, > > It’s my pleasure to announce that James Forrester is joining our San > Francisco office as a Technical Product Analyst, supporting the Visual > Editor team.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread Michael Snow
On 5/17/2012 10:06 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote: James, you're emigrating? I never thought I'd see that... Congratulations, traitor! Just wait until he starts speaking like an uhmurricun, I mean American. --Michael Snow ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikim

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread Chris Keating
> > It’s my pleasure to announce that James Forrester is joining our San > Francisco office as a Technical Product Analyst, supporting the Visual > Editor team. James started his work as a remote contractor yesterday > and will be joining us in San Francisco later this year as a staff > member. C

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread Katie Chan
Please join me in welcoming James! Well, in our case it's more like waving good bye, but certainly congratulations! KTC -- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wik

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread Thomas Morton
On 17 May 2012 18:19, Chris Keating wrote: > > > > It’s my pleasure to announce that James Forrester is joining our San > > Francisco office as a Technical Product Analyst, supporting the Visual > > Editor team. James started his work as a remote contractor yesterday > > and will be joining us in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread Tom Morris
On 17 May 2012 17:52, Howie Fung wrote: > Everyone, > > It’s my pleasure to announce that James Forrester is joining our San > Francisco office as a Technical Product Analyst, supporting the Visual > Editor team. James started his work as a remote contractor yesterday > and will be joining us in S

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread Kat Walsh
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Chris Keating wrote: >> >> It’s my pleasure to announce that James Forrester is joining our San >> Francisco office as a Technical Product Analyst, supporting the Visual >> Editor team. James started his work as a remote contractor yesterday >> and will be joining

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread Kat Walsh
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Thomas Morton wrote: > On 17 May 2012 18:19, Chris Keating wrote: > >> > >> > It’s my pleasure to announce that James Forrester is joining our San >> > Francisco office as a Technical Product Analyst, supporting the Visual >> > Editor team. James started his work

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread Erik Zachte
Congrats James! I 'm looking forward to most tongue in cheek design documents I have ever seen. :-) Erik -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Howie Fung Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 6:52 PM To: wiki

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread Thomas Morton
On 17 May 2012 18:25, Kat Walsh wrote: > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Thomas Morton > wrote: > > On 17 May 2012 18:19, Chris Keating wrote: > > > >> > > >> > It’s my pleasure to announce that James Forrester is joining our San > >> > Francisco office as a Technical Product Analyst, supporti

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread Chris Keating
> > I do wish someone had been chosen who had some more community experience > though. ROFLMAO! :-) ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread WereSpielChequers
> Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 18:06:48 +0100 > From: Thomas Dalton > To: Wikimedia developers > Cc: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] [Announcement] James Forrester >joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/pl

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread Guillaume Paumier
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Tom Morris wrote: > > Anyway, James F. knows more about Wikipedia than most people on the > planet. Good hire. This^ One of the best hire the Foundation could ever make. -- Guillaume Paumier Technical Communications Manager — Wikimedia Foundation _

[Wikimedia-l] Report on WCI 2011

2012-05-17 Thread wheredevelsdare
Hi, This is to inform those interested that User:Prad2609 and I have written a report on WCI 2011 which is public on meta [1]. A warning on queries; we probably wont answer those since Prad2609 has unsubscribed from all Wikipedia mailing lists and retired and Iv got other priorities m

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread Brad Patrick
+1 Congratulations, James! On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Guillaume Paumier wrote: > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Tom Morris wrote: > > > > Anyway, James F. knows more about Wikipedia than most people on the > > planet. Good hire. > > This^ > > One of the best hire the Foundation could eve

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread Richard Symonds
I'm still working my way through the brownies James left at our office only a few short days ago... James, you're always welcome in Dev House. There'll always be a seat available, and there'll always be a coffee. Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Disclaimer viewable at http://uk.wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread James Alexander
Coffee? ... but not tea? On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Richard Symonds < richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote: > I'm still working my way through the brownies James left at our office only > a few short days ago... > > James, you're always welcome in Dev House. There'll always be a seat >

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Translations of the "Wikimedia Highlights" for April 2012 available in Türkçe (Turkish), தமிழ் (Tamil), Kiswahili (Swahili), Русский (Russian), Македонски (Mace

2012-05-17 Thread Tilman Bayer
The following translation are now available for the April 2012 "Wikimedia Highlights", which combine some of the most relevant information from the Wikimedia Foundation Report and the Wikimedia engineering report for April with a selection of other important events from the Wikimedia movement. Help

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread Richard Symonds
No, tea is for staff and board members only. Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Disclaimer viewable at http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia:Email_disclaimer Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk On 17 May 2012 21:02, James Alexander wrote: > Coffee? ... but not tea? >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread Richard Symonds
(I am joking.) Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Disclaimer viewable at http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia:Email_disclaimer Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk On 17 May 2012 21:34, Richard Symonds wrote: > No, tea is for staff and board members only. > > Richard S

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread Anirudh Bhati
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 10:52 PM, Tom Morris wrote: > Anyway, James F. knows more about Wikipedia than most people on the > planet. Good hire. > +1 Great choice! :) Best, anirudh ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscrib

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread Kim Bruning
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 01:02:30PM -0700, James Alexander wrote: > Coffee? ... but not tea? Despite the stereotype, brits tend to drink more coffee than tea. ;-) ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread Kim Bruning
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 09:52:23AM -0700, Howie Fung wrote: > Everyone, > > It?s my pleasure to announce that James Forrester is joining our San > Francisco office as a Technical Product Analyst, supporting the Visual > Editor team. Took your time! Nice to see James at WMF, where he can get into

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread Michael Peel
On 17 May 2012, at 21:33, Kim Bruning wrote: > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 01:02:30PM -0700, James Alexander wrote: >> Coffee? ... but not tea? > > > Despite the stereotype, brits tend to drink more coffee than tea. ;-) That depends on the brit - I know my average ratio is about 5 cups of tea to 1

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread Erik Moeller
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Kat Walsh wrote: > Also, I am having serious trouble wrapping my mind around James living > outside the UK. We've confirmed through experimental visits to San Francisco that James can in fact exist outside the UK in a stable state. But let's face it -- we'll eith

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread James Alexander
Here here! It's a pile on at this point but I'm not sure I care. I honestly think this is one of the best hires the foundation has ever made and am so incredibly excited that I can't explain it properly. There have always been 2-3 Wikipedians who I would have classified as "I'd give up my right fo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread Platonides
I don't think "welcome" is the appropiate word to say him :) SO I sum myself to the other people on this thread saying instead: Congratulations! ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailma

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread James Forrester
On 17 May 2012 22:51, Erik Moeller wrote: > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Kat Walsh wrote: >> Also, I am having serious trouble wrapping my mind around James living >> outside the UK. > > We've confirmed through experimental visits to San Francisco that > James can in fact exist outside the U