Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread John Vandenberg
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Johan Jönsson wrote: > 2012/5/22 Bjoern Hoehrmann : > >> You don't say who "we" are, but in case some people think the Wikimedia >> Foundation should position itself on "copyright" matters much beyond >> which licenses it is using and why, and which problems Wikipe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread Mike Dupont
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 11:38 PM, Kirill Lokshin wrote: > legitimate reuse of cultural works (of the sort that is of interest to the > Wikimedia movement) is unlikely to be stifled by an attribution requirement > along the lines of CC-by or similar licenses. very good point, basically the bsd. bu

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 8, Issue 21 -- 21 May 2012

2012-05-21 Thread Wikipedia Signpost
>From the editor: New editor-in-chief http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-05-21/From_the_editor News and notes: Two new Wikimedia fellows to boost strategies for tackling major issues http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-05-21/News_and_notes W

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours about the new mobile site and other mobile work at the WMF

2012-05-21 Thread Steven Walling
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Steven Walling wrote: > We'll be in #wikimedia-office from 18:00-19:00 UTC, Friday the 23rd. As > usual, docs are on Meta: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours > Excuse me, Friday is not the 23rd. It's the 25th! -- Steven Walling https://wikimediafou

[Wikimedia-l] Office hours about the new mobile site and other mobile work at the WMF

2012-05-21 Thread Steven Walling
Hi everyone, This Friday the Wikimedia Foundation's mobile team will be hosting an IRC office hours to talk about the new version of the Wikipedia mobile site, along with other upcoming updates to the way readers and contributors experience the projects on mobile devices. This is the first office

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread Johan Jönsson
2012/5/22 Bjoern Hoehrmann : > You don't say who "we" are, but in case some people think the Wikimedia > Foundation should position itself on "copyright" matters much beyond > which licenses it is using and why, and which problems Wikipedia might > be facing due to various aspects of "copyright",

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread Kirill Lokshin
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Samuel Klein wrote: > David Gerard writes: > > O'Reilly is offering works under 14 years (c), thence CC-by > > Campaign idea: set up a named class of license for friendly groups > like O'Reilly that are committing to 14 years, which are defined by > terming out in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* David Gerard wrote: >So, is the time ripe yet for us to start pushing for a 14-year term, >or do we wait a bit? I suggest we start contemplating it, however. You don't say who "we" are, but in case some people think the Wikimedia Foundation should position itself on "copyright" matters much beyo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread Samuel Klein
I like the cc-licenses list thread you linked, Mike; thank you. I take it that thread didn't continue past December? I agree generally with the points Greg London was making there: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/cc-licenses/2011-December/006472.html For me the central value in choosing a san

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread Todd Allen
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 1:42 PM, David Gerard wrote: > On 21 May 2012 20:30, Samuel Klein wrote: > >> 14 years is a fine place to start.  Are there any existing campaigns >> pushing for it?  S. > > > Now that I'm looking, I can't find any campaigns as such! > > I thought the Pirate Parties asked

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread David Gerard
On 21 May 2012 20:59, Samuel Klein wrote: > We need a shorter term *for free licenses*. > Right now those licenses piggyback on an unreasonably long-term notion > of "exclusive authorial control of reuse". > People who support free knowledge and free licenses should be among > the first to do awa

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread Samuel Klein
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 3:34 PM, emijrp wrote: > Lol, 14 years term. Good luck. That is a lost battle. > > I think that the useful approach is to spread the word about free licenses, > that allow to use content NOW. We need a shorter term *for free licenses*. Right now those licenses piggyback on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread Mike Linksvayer
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Richard Symonds wrote: > FWIW, I'd like to see things being released more freely internationally, > irrespective of copyright. At present, I can either pirate the Colbert > Report, or watch it through a proxy using a US netflix account which I pay > for using a US

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread David Gerard
On 21 May 2012 20:30, Samuel Klein wrote: > 14 years is a fine place to start.  Are there any existing campaigns > pushing for it?  S. Now that I'm looking, I can't find any campaigns as such! I thought the Pirate Parties asked for 14 years, but I'm wrong: the Swedish party says five years,[1]

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread emijrp
Lol, 14 years term. Good luck. That is a lost battle. I think that the useful approach is to spread the word about free licenses, that allow to use content NOW. 2012/5/21 Samuel Klein > 14 years is a fine place to start. Are there any existing campaigns > pushing for it? S. > > On Mon, May 21

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread Mike Dupont
What I really find upsetting is that PBS produces videos that cannot be watched out side of the states, it really upsets me. Also in germany, it is just unbearable, these copyright trolls called "GEMA" take away all the fun of youtube. mike On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Richard Symonds wrote:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread Samuel Klein
14 years is a fine place to start. Are there any existing campaigns pushing for it? S. On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 2:22 PM, David Gerard wrote: > On 21 May 2012 18:59, Samuel Klein wrote: > >> I don't think the right term here is "0 years".  It is also not "life >> + 70".  Perhaps "7 + 7". > > > I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing 2 Community Fellow

2012-05-21 Thread Florence Devouard
Thank you Siko for answering. That's a mix of "curiosity" (for the benefits, pensions and so on) and of "concern" (on the responsibility side of things). Wikimedia France received several legal complaints in the past few years and the frequency is increasing. The inventivity and the boldness

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread David Gerard
On 21 May 2012 18:59, Samuel Klein wrote: > I don't think the right term here is "0 years".  It is also not "life > + 70".  Perhaps "7 + 7". I suggested 14 as a likely figure because that figure is already in common currency - as it was the term in the UK (Statute of Anne) and in the US (Copyri

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing 2 Community Fellow

2012-05-21 Thread Richard Symonds
I'm asking from a purely good faith perspective, by the way: I tend to deal with HR here at WMUK, and I'll be dealing with it more and more in future. The more I know about how other Wikimedia orgs do things, Tyre better :-) Richard Symonds On May 21, 2012 7:09 PM, "Richard Symonds" wrote: > I m

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing 2 Community Fellow

2012-05-21 Thread Richard Symonds
I must admit to being curious, as do at least two others i've spoken to about this. With no benefits and no pensions, and what seems like hazy employment rights that vary from state to state (not to mention fellows from overseas) and person to person, this does seem a little odd. How much notice ar

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread Samuel Klein
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Mike Linksvayer wrote: > On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 6:31 AM, geni wrote: >> On 21 May 2012 13:09, David Gerard wrote: >>> So, is the time ripe yet for us to start pushing for a 14-year term, >>> or do we wait a bit? I suggest we start contemplating it, however. I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing 2 Community Fellow

2012-05-21 Thread Siko Bouterse
Hi Florence, I guess I didn't do a very good job addressing these questions in the earlier thread, so I'll try one more time :-) Fellowships are temporary roles, so they are not treated as full time staff positions. They do not receive retirement benefits, and generally the paperwork setup and as

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread Richard Symonds
FWIW, I'd like to see things being released more freely internationally, irrespective of copyright. At present, I can either pirate the Colbert Report, or watch it through a proxy using a US netflix account which I pay for using a US bank account. It isn't shown anywhere in the UK. Richard Symonds

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread Mike Linksvayer
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 6:31 AM, geni wrote: > On 21 May 2012 13:09, David Gerard wrote: >> So, is the time ripe yet for us to start pushing for a 14-year term, >> or do we wait a bit? I suggest we start contemplating it, however. > > The most pirated bit of content at the moment appears to be ga

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread Sarah Stierch
On 5/21/12 9:31 AM, geni wrote: On 21 May 2012 13:09, David Gerard wrote: From Rick Falkvinge, an English-language writeup of a Swedish study: http://falkvinge.net/2012/05/21/study-despite-tougher-copyright-monopoly-laws-sharing-remains-pervasive/ http://svt.se/nyheter/fortsatt-fildelning-tro

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread geni
On 21 May 2012 13:09, David Gerard wrote: > From Rick Falkvinge, an English-language writeup of a Swedish study: > > http://falkvinge.net/2012/05/21/study-despite-tougher-copyright-monopoly-laws-sharing-remains-pervasive/ > http://svt.se/nyheter/fortsatt-fildelning-trots-skarpt-lag (Swedish news

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread Johan Jönsson
2012/5/21 David Gerard : > From Rick Falkvinge, an English-language writeup of a Swedish study: > > http://falkvinge.net/2012/05/21/study-despite-tougher-copyright-monopoly-laws-sharing-remains-pervasive/ > http://svt.se/nyheter/fortsatt-fildelning-trots-skarpt-lag (Swedish news > report) > > 61%

[Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread David Gerard
>From Rick Falkvinge, an English-language writeup of a Swedish study: http://falkvinge.net/2012/05/21/study-despite-tougher-copyright-monopoly-laws-sharing-remains-pervasive/ http://svt.se/nyheter/fortsatt-fildelning-trots-skarpt-lag (Swedish news report) 61% of 15-25-year-olds in Sweden fileshar

[Wikimedia-l] next Wikidata office hours

2012-05-21 Thread Lydia Pintscher
Heya folks, I just wanted to let you know that the next Wikidata office hours will be on Tuesday and Wednesday next week. Denny and I will be around on IRC in #wikimedia-wikidata to answer any question you might have and discuss. I assume there will be a few more questions than usual now that we h

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Making www.wikipedia.org mobile friendly

2012-05-21 Thread Jon Robson
(Cross posting to wikimedia-l as suggested by MZMcBride) Yup I'm actually talking about the project home page (www.wikipedia.org) which some people land on from a google search. I've been working on some adjustments to the styling of www.wikipedia.org to make it mobile friendly for browsers that s