Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked "principle of least surprise" for the image filter?

2012-06-16 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: > Am 17.06.2012 01:21, schrieb Anthony: > >>> I have never seen a "censorware" that works >>> flawlessly (not even china can do this right). Either it allows to much >>> (incomplete blacklist) or it is unnecessary limited (incomplete whitelis

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked "principle of least surprise" for the image filter?

2012-06-16 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* Tobias Oelgarte wrote: >Am 17.06.2012 01:21, schrieb Anthony: >>> I have never seen a "censorware" that works >>> flawlessly (not even china can do this right). Either it allows to much >>> (incomplete blacklist) or it is unnecessary limited (incomplete whitelist >>> producing angry mob). Additio

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked "principle of least surprise" for the image filter?

2012-06-16 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 17.06.2012 01:21, schrieb Anthony: I have never seen a "censorware" that works flawlessly (not even china can do this right). Either it allows to much (incomplete blacklist) or it is unnecessary limited (incomplete whitelist producing angry mob). Additionally it has to suite the view of the pa

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked "principle of least surprise" for the image filter?

2012-06-16 Thread Anthony
> I have never seen a "censorware" that works > flawlessly (not even china can do this right). Either it allows to much > (incomplete blacklist) or it is unnecessary limited (incomplete whitelist > producing angry mob). Additionally it has to suite the view of the parents > and match the age of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked "principle of least surprise" for the image filter?

2012-06-16 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 8:27 AM, Tom Morris wrote: > On Friday, 15 June 2012 at 13:21, David Gerard wrote: >> I don't recall seeing any, but did anyone actually explain why the >> market had not provided a filtering solution for Wikipedia, if there's >> actually a demand for one? > > Market failur

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked "principle of least surprise" for the image filter?

2012-06-16 Thread Tom Morris
On Saturday, 16 June 2012 at 23:51, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: > Am 16.06.2012 23:36, schrieb Tom Morris: > > On Saturday, 16 June 2012 at 20:21, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: > > > That means they already found a solution to their problem that includes > > > the whole web at once. As you might have noticed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked "principle of least surprise" for the image filter?

2012-06-16 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 16.06.2012 23:36, schrieb Tom Morris: On Saturday, 16 June 2012 at 20:21, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: That means they already found a solution to their problem that includes the whole web at once. As you might have noticed it isn't perfect. I guess that it could be easily improved over time. But t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked "principle of least surprise" for the image filter?

2012-06-16 Thread Tom Morris
On Saturday, 16 June 2012 at 20:21, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: > That means they already found a solution to their problem that includes > the whole web at once. As you might have noticed it isn't perfect. I > guess that it could be easily improved over time. But the image filter > had an different goa

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked "principle of least surprise" for the image filter?

2012-06-16 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 15.06.2012 23:22, schrieb Andreas Kolbe: On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 1:21 PM, David Gerard wrote: I don't recall seeing any, but did anyone actually explain why the market had not provided a filtering solution for Wikipedia, if there's actually a demand for one? (IIRC the various netnannies f

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked "principle of least surprise" for the image filter?

2012-06-16 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 14.06.2012 22:40, schrieb Risker: On 14 June 2012 16:19, David Gerard wrote: On 14 June 2012 20:36, Andrew Gray wrote: Least surprise is one way to try and get around this problem of not relying on the community's own judgement in all edge cases; I'm not sure it's the best one, but I'm n

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Report, May 2012

2012-06-16 Thread James Salsman
I also want to say something good. I think the fact that the fundraising team is using multivariate analysis instead of simple A/B testing now is beyond good, it's just spectacular. A/B testing was excruciatingly slow, and this is a huge advance. I hope it means that all the banner text suggesti

[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [cc-community] CC 4.0 and the GNU GPL

2012-06-16 Thread Anthony
Forwarding this from the CC-licenses list. The WMF should explore what impact, if any, one-way CC-BY-SA to GPL compatibility would have on WMF projects. Is anyone at the WMF talking to CC/FSF about this? -- Forwarded message -- From: Christopher Allan Webber Date: Thu, May 31, 2

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Pro-active user privacy (Was: Update on IPv6)

2012-06-16 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 2:22 PM, James Forrester wrote: > There are lots of things we could do - for instance, blocking all > edits except by logged-in editors would solve this (but is profoundly > against our general operating principles) It's really not, considering how incredibly easy it is to

[Wikimedia-l] 2011 Picture of the Year Competition

2012-06-16 Thread miya
Dear Wikimedians, The final round for the 2011 Wikimedia Commons Picture of the Year contest is now open! The 36 images were chosen from the first round, thanks to voters like you. In order to determine the very best picture of the remaining candidates, you have exactly one vote left. The finali

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CheckUser openness

2012-06-16 Thread ENWP Pine
I do hear and understand the argument here, but it is somewhat problematic to have to have the argument "if we do this, we'll be handing over information to sockpuppeteers we don't want them to have, and we can't tell you what that information is, because otherwise we'll be handing over informatio