Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

Keegan Peterzell, 29/07/2012 08:29: For editing, that is. I have what I presume to be my obituary on the wiki: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/User:Kpeterzell The situation of WMFwiki is indeed frustrating, but could we avoid OT in this thread? Unless it's a subtle strategy to make the t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

On 29 July 2012 03:16, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > Keegan Peterzell, 29/07/2012 08:29: > > For editing, that is. I have what I presume to be my obituary on the >> wiki: >> http://wikimediafoundation.**org/wiki/User:Kpeterzell >> > > The s

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

On 29 July 2012 03:32, Risker wrote: > > > On 29 July 2012 03:16, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > >> Keegan Peterzell, 29/07/2012 08:29: >> >> For editing, that is. I have what I presume to be my obituary on the >>> wiki: >>> http://wikimediafoundation.**org/wiki/User:Kpeterzell

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

Well, despite my best efforts, the discussion has been redirected back to < https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_budget#2012-13> In other words, it is now on the bottom of a discussion page that has not been touched in 3 years simply because it says something about the WMF budget.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

On 7/28/12 5:58 AM, Tilman Bayer wrote: Hi all, the Wikimedia Foundation's 2012-13 Annual Plan has just been published at https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:2012-13_Wikimedia_Foundation_Plan_FINAL_FOR_WEBSITE.pdf accompanied by a Q&A: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/2012-2013_Annu

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

Florence Devouard, 29/07/2012 13:37: But seriously... I would feel fine with us trying to claim that the GEP is the largest system effort to INCREASE the number of articles. It is probably true. But we all know that the result is... so and so. Possibly good content, but also lot's of crap being

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Hungary Quarterly Report 2012/2

Dear all, Please find the second quarterly report of Wikimedia Hungary at: http://wikimedia.hu/wiki/F%C3%A1jl:Wikimedia_Hungary_Quarterly_Report_2012-2.pdf (in English) and http://wikimedia.hu/wiki/F%C3%A1jl:Negyed%C3%A9ves_besz%C3%A1mol%C3%B3_2012-2-hu.pdf (in Hungarian). A short excerpt: "In th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

On Jul 27, 2012, at 10:58 PM, Tilman Bayer wrote: > Hi all, > > the Wikimedia Foundation's 2012-13 Annual Plan has just been published at > > https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:2012-13_Wikimedia_Foundation_Plan_FINAL_FOR_WEBSITE.pdf > > accompanied by a Q&A: > > https://wikimediafounda

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

On 29 July 2012 15:17, wrote: > It seems to me despite the WMF's stated confidence, that the FDC allocating > money to WMF for the GAC is somewhat questionable. Given that the WMF has > failed, so far, to show a capacity for properly administering the existing > grants by providing a timely re

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

On 29 July 2012 07:11, Samuel Klein wrote: > Let's use the page we used to use to discuss plans and budgets: > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_budget Ok. I've posted a couple of questions there for the WMF to answer regarding the GAC and FDC. ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

On 29 July 2012 10:07, Risker wrote: > Well, despite my best efforts, the discussion has been redirected back to < > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_budget#2012-13> > > In other words, it is now on the bottom of a discussion page that has not > been touched in 3 years simply becaus

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 6:58 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > Florence Devouard, 29/07/2012 13:37: > >> But seriously... I would feel fine with us trying to claim that the GEP >> is the largest system effort to INCREASE the number of articles. It is >> probably true. >> >> But we all know that th

[Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

Hi, In the 2012-13 WMF plan document I saw an interesting thing: "We’ve hosted key community stakeholders such as English Wikipedia’s ArbCom and Portuguese Wikipedia’s top contributors, in an effort to better understand and respond to issues they're facing." (page 41). I was very happy to read th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

Amir E. Aharoni, 29/07/2012 20:27: In the 2012-13 WMF plan document I saw an interesting thing: "We’ve hosted key community stakeholders such as English Wikipedia’s ArbCom and Portuguese Wikipedia’s top contributors, in an effort to better understand and respond to issues they're facing." (page 4

Re: [Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬ 2012/7/29 Federico Leva (Nemo) : > Amir E. Aharoni, 29/07/2012 20:27: > >> In the 2012-13 WMF plan document I saw an interesting thing: >> "We’ve hoste

Re: [Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

Amir E. Aharoni, 29/07/2012 21:35: I'm not sure I like the idea of "key community stakeholders" Well, this sends us back to Tom Morris' classic post: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2012-February/118759.html But that's a different topic. Is it really only a problem of langua

Re: [Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

2012/7/29 Federico Leva (Nemo) : > Amir E. Aharoni, 29/07/2012 21:35: > >>> I'm not sure I like the idea of "key community stakeholders" >> >> >> Well, this sends us back to Tom Morris' classic post: >> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2012-February/118759.html >> >> But that's a di

Re: [Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

Is it really only a problem of language? Why should the WMF meet ArbCom members, for instance? It doesn't seem a suitable way to understand a community. I'm not saying that there are easy alternatives of course. :-) Nemo For instance, Russian Wikipedia community is strongly divided for already

Re: [Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote: > I don't know how did the meeting with the Portuguese Wikipedians go; I > suppose that it was good. I don't remember that I read anything about > it in blogs or mailing lists, but I may have missed it. Maybe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

On 29 July 2012 21:52, Steven Walling wrote: > Our blog post reporting back on the trip to Brazil is here, in English and > Portuguese: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/03/22/brazil-meetups-march/ That reads like it was a meeting with a selection of Brazilian Wikipedians. That does not equate with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 4:37 AM, Florence Devouard wrote: > On 7/28/12 5:58 AM, Tilman Bayer wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> the Wikimedia Foundation's 2012-13 Annual Plan has just been published at >> >> >> https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:2012-13_Wikimedia_Foundation_Plan_FINAL_FOR_WEBSITE.p

Re: [Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

Thomas Dalton, 29/07/2012 23:01: On 29 July 2012 21:52, Steven Walling wrote: Our blog post reporting back on the trip to Brazil is here, in English and Portuguese: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/03/22/brazil-meetups-march/ That reads like it was a meeting with a selection of Brazilian Wikip

Re: [Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > > That reads like it was a meeting with a selection of Brazilian > Wikipedians. That does not equate with "Portuguese Wikipedia’s top > contributors". I'm sure some of Portuguese Wikipedia’s top > contributors are Brazilian, but it is rather

Re: [Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

On 29 July 2012 22:33, Steven Walling wrote: > I can see how you would think this if you're not involved with these > communities, but a clear majority of the active editors on Portuguese > Wikipedia are in fact Brazilian. The description given is not inaccurate. While I may not be involved in th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

On Jul 30, 2012 7:18 AM, "Tilman Bayer" wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 4:37 AM, Florence Devouard wrote: > > On 7/28/12 5:58 AM, Tilman Bayer wrote: > >> > >> Hi all, > >> > >> the Wikimedia Foundation's 2012-13 Annual Plan has just been published at > >> > >> > >> https://wikimediafoundation

Re: [Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

On 29 July 2012 22:39, Thomas Dalton wrote: > On 29 July 2012 22:33, Steven Walling wrote: > > I can see how you would think this if you're not involved with these > > communities, but a clear majority of the active editors on Portuguese > > Wikipedia are in fact Brazilian. The description given

Re: [Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > While I may not be involved in the Portuguese Wikipedia, I do have a > masters degree in mathematics, so I can reliably inform you that > "majority" is not the same as "all". > > The WMF tends to employ smart people, so I assume that whoever

Re: [Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > On 29 July 2012 22:33, Steven Walling wrote: > > I can see how you would think this if you're not involved with these > > communities, but a clear majority of the active editors on Portuguese > > Wikipedia are in fact Brazilian. The descript

Re: [Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

On 29 July 2012 22:57, Nathan wrote: > On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Thomas Dalton >wrote: > > > On 29 July 2012 22:33, Steven Walling wrote: > > > I can see how you would think this if you're not involved with these > > > communities, but a clear majority of the active editors on Portuguese

Re: [Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

On 29 July 2012 22:48, Steven Walling wrote: > On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > >> While I may not be involved in the Portuguese Wikipedia, I do have a >> masters degree in mathematics, so I can reliably inform you that >> "majority" is not the same as "all". >> >> The WMF t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

On 29 July 2012 22:57, Nathan wrote: > Can your masters degree in mathematics point out where in Wikimedia's > statement it said "all" or implied anything other than having met some of > Portuguese Wikipedia's top contributors? Not sure what the big deal is. The word "all" actually appeared in my

Re: [Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > This is not a mole hill. It is the WMF (I assume intentionally, since > you must have known better) misleading people about its activities. > You had a particular message you wanted to give, so you described the > activity in a way that suppo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 12:09 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > On 29 July 2012 22:57, Nathan wrote: > > Can your masters degree in mathematics point out where in Wikimedia's > > statement it said "all" or implied anything other than having met some of > > Portuguese Wikipedia's top contributors? Not su

Re: [Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > On 29 July 2012 22:48, Steven Walling wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Thomas Dalton >wrote: > > > >> While I may not be involved in the Portuguese Wikipedia, I do have a > >> masters degree in mathematics, so I can reliably info

Re: [Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 5:09 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > On 29 July 2012 22:57, Nathan wrote: >> Can your masters degree in mathematics point out where in Wikimedia's >> statement it said "all" or implied anything other than having met some of >> Portuguese Wikipedia's top contributors? Not sure w

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

Tilman Bayer, 29/07/2012 18:28: Regarding the "normal levels", I suppose you haven't yet had a chance to look at http://reportcard.wmflabs.org/graphs/active_editors ? Yes and it shows that there's still an increase over the pre-WLM situation. Actually I was reading