Re: [Wikimedia-l] (semi-OT) Open access "catastrophic" for Elsevier

2012-09-24 Thread emijrp
In the wiki-research mailing list we are talking about Open-Access journals and new ways to publish and disseminate research results. A summary is available http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Research_Ideas 2012/9/24 Risker > On 23 September 2012 22:24, Tim Starling wrote: > > > On 23/09/12 05

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (semi-OT) Open access "catastrophic" for Elsevier

2012-09-24 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Tim Starling, 24/09/2012 04:24: According to the PDF, each published article costs them 1954 GBP, and brings in a revenue of 3256 GBP. A very nice business to be in. They already charge the authors a processing fee of 2000 GBP per article, so they could break even with open access, without increa

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (semi-OT) Open access "catastrophic" for Elsevier

2012-09-24 Thread Andrea Zanni
There are also other kinds of business models: http://scoap3.org/ The topic is complex, I know and Open Access is about a shift of an entire system, is not about Elsevier (which is important but (just) a main actor in a big play). Peer review is crucial, of course, but I wonder who is being paid:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Slate article on Gibraltar

2012-09-24 Thread Richard Farmbrough
To give some idea of how poor the research for the writing is: "/This article originally and incorrectly referred to Gibraltar as an island. It is a peninsula."/ Were they to correct the rest of the errors in the article there would be very little of the original left. Just as an example:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (semi-OT) Open access "catastrophic" for Elsevier

2012-09-24 Thread Richard Farmbrough
On 24/09/2012 03:49, Risker wrote: the costs of peer review I have academics complaining to me that they don't get paid for peer review, so I'm not sure what these costs are. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: h

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

2012-09-24 Thread Richard Farmbrough
Free speech in the US is, I believe, generally considered to exclude both "fighting words" and "shouting fire in a crowded theatre". On 20/09/2012 04:56, Fred Bauder wrote: I think any laws should be couched in terms of damaging foreign relations or inciting to riot. I'm not sure they would be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] #switch limits

2012-09-24 Thread Richard Farmbrough
Attempts to de-switch templates are resisted at every turn by folk who have CS 101. :-P On 21/09/2012 05:14, Steven Walling wrote: Template authors on any and every wiki, this one's for you. ;) -- Forwarded message -- From: Tim Starling Date: Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:07 PM Subje

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

2012-09-24 Thread Fred Bauder
I wonder if a few iconic Islamic related expressions could not also be included such as burning or threatening to burn a copy of the Koran? There would have to be scienter, knowing its significance, of course; a fact that was not present in a recent case in Pakistan where a developmentally handicap

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (semi-OT) Open access "catastrophic" for Elsevier

2012-09-24 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Richard Farmbrough wrote: > On 24/09/2012 03:49, Risker wrote: >> >> the costs of peer review > > I have academics complaining to me that they don't get paid for peer review, > so I'm not sure what these costs are. Someone has to edit the magazine, pre-accept pape

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (semi-OT) Open access "catastrophic" for Elsevier

2012-09-24 Thread Samuel Klein
It's funny, most organizations point to our community as am example of how to manage such things with volunteers. Another example: law reviews offer an excellent and widely reproduced model where the most esteemed publications are run by students. On Sep 24, 2012 6:33 PM, "George Herbert" wrote:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (semi-OT) Open access "catastrophic" for Elsevier

2012-09-24 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 3:33 AM, Samuel Klein wrote: > It's funny, most organizations point to our community as am example of how > to manage such things with volunteers. > > Another example: law reviews offer an excellent and widely reproduced model > where the most esteemed publications are run

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (semi-OT) Open access "catastrophic" for Elsevier

2012-09-24 Thread Risker
On 24 September 2012 21:20, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 3:33 AM, Samuel Klein wrote: > > It's funny, most organizations point to our community as am example of > how > > to manage such things with volunteers. > > > > Another example: law reviews offer an excellent and w

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (semi-OT) Open access "catastrophic" for Elsevier

2012-09-24 Thread DAEL Dennitts
FYI > Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 20:33:29 -0400 > From: meta...@gmail.com > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] (semi-OT) Open access "catastrophic" for Elsevier > > It's funny, most organizations point to our community as am example of how > to manage such things with