Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA

2014-03-02 Thread David Gerard
On 2 March 2014 02:01, Mark wrote: > I personally would welcome more attention to our actual mission, producing > free content, rather than the mission some of our members seem to be engaged > in, "making the *.wikipedia.org sites look nice in the short term, even if > nobody external can reuse t

[Wikimedia-l] paid editing TOU amendment: disclose "paid editing" or "coi"?

2014-03-02 Thread Gryllida
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Terms_of_use/Paid_contributions_amendment#What_to_ask_to_disclose:_paid_contributions_or_COI.3F Please participate in this discussion and help produce a well-readable revision, if such change is necessary. Thanks! _

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA

2014-03-02 Thread geni
On 2 March 2014 08:55, David Gerard wrote: > On 2 March 2014 02:01, Mark wrote: > > > I personally would welcome more attention to our actual mission, > producing > > free content, rather than the mission some of our members seem to be > engaged > > in, "making the *.wikipedia.org sites look nic

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA

2014-03-02 Thread Chris McKenna
On Sun, 2 Mar 2014, geni wrote: On 2 March 2014 08:55, David Gerard wrote: On 2 March 2014 02:01, Mark wrote: > I personally would welcome more attention to our actual mission, producing > free content, rather than the mission some of our members seem to be engaged > in, "making the *.wikip

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA

2014-03-02 Thread David Gerard
On 2 March 2014 16:31, Chris McKenna wrote: > These days I wouldn't dare upload an image that was not either my own work > or public doman due to life+100 because I couldn't guarantee that it wont be > delted. Even with my own work I'm wary because of recent cases of amateur > lawyering over the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Funding programs for individuals.

2014-03-02 Thread Denis Barthel
Omg, I totally missed this thread when it started originally. As Wikimedia Deutschland has an extensive history in individual grantmaking and is currently running more than a dozen programs, please allow me to add a link to our overview-page in the German Wikipedia: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA

2014-03-02 Thread Mark
On 3/2/14, 5:31 PM, Chris McKenna wrote: There seems to be a disconnect between what Commons sees as it's mission: To be a repository of Free media; and what other projects see as Commons' mission: To be a repository of media for use on Wikimedia projects. But since the other Wikimedia projects

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA

2014-03-02 Thread Richard Symonds
> One possible approach is certainly to choose a "representative" country per language, and define freeness as only free in that country specifically. So en.wiki's ambition is to be free only for Americans. Perhaps es.wiki's goal will be to be free for Spaniards, and/or Argentinians. de.wiki will b

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA

2014-03-02 Thread David Gerard
On 2 March 2014 16:56, Mark wrote: > On 3/2/14, 5:31 PM, Chris McKenna wrote: >> There is a further disconnect in that Commons is taking an increasingly >> ultra-conservative approach to the definition of "Free", whereas most other >> projects are working to a definition of "Free for all practica

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA

2014-03-02 Thread Chris McKenna
On Sun, 2 Mar 2014, Mark wrote: On 3/2/14, 5:31 PM, Chris McKenna wrote: There seems to be a disconnect between what Commons sees as it's mission: To be a repository of Free media; and what other projects see as Commons' mission: To be a repository of media for use on Wikimedia projects. But

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA

2014-03-02 Thread geni
On 2 March 2014 20:50, Chris McKenna wrote: > On Sun, 2 Mar 2014, Mark wrote: > > On 3/2/14, 5:31 PM, Chris McKenna wrote: >> >>> There seems to be a disconnect between what Commons sees as it's >>> mission: To be a repository of Free media; and what other projects see as >>> Commons' mission: T

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA

2014-03-02 Thread David Gerard
On 2 March 2014 13:51, geni wrote: > Its a pretty accurate description. What do you think the law says? It's possible, if you want people and organisations to stop their moves against you, that snideness and word play may not serve to convince them that you have any evidenced interest in workin

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA

2014-03-02 Thread Avenue
On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 8:50 PM, Chris McKenna wrote: > > You've missed the point. Commons is not at present a reliable source of > media, Free or otherwise, because media gets deleted because once someone > alleges that it is not free it gets deleted if the original uploader cannot > prove it is f

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA

2014-03-02 Thread geni
On 2 March 2014 16:35, David Gerard wrote: > > Indeed. The extreme paranoia over images people created themselves > versus the ridiculously sloppy standards for anything on Flickr (a bot > can't meaningfully "verify" an image) makes Commons merely seem > capricious. > No the same standards are a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA

2014-03-02 Thread ???
On 02/03/2014 01:26, geni wrote: On 1 March 2014 23:59, ??? wrote: On 01/03/2014 23:06, geni wrote: On 1 March 2014 19:58, ??? wrote: You have no guarantee that the account that the images were scraped from held the copyright in the first place, and as such you are unable to pass that gu

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA

2014-03-02 Thread geni
On 2 March 2014 22:20, David Gerard wrote: > On 2 March 2014 13:51, geni wrote: > > > Its a pretty accurate description. What do you think the law says? > > > It's possible, if you want people and organisations to stop their > moves against you, that snideness and word play may not serve to > co

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA

2014-03-02 Thread Mark
On 3/2/14, 6:17 PM, David Gerard wrote: On 2 March 2014 16:56, Mark wrote: On 3/2/14, 5:31 PM, Chris McKenna wrote: There is a further disconnect in that Commons is taking an increasingly ultra-conservative approach to the definition of "Free", whereas most other projects are working to a defi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Funding programs for individuals.

2014-03-02 Thread Samuel Klein
Denis: I found it useful, thank you. I believe there is a long history of this in other chapters as well, such as Wikimedia Polska. Are other grantmaking overviews published online? On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 8:00 PM, Cristian Consonni wrote: > 2014-03-02 1:36 GMT+01:00 Samuel Klein : >> +1 to movi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA

2014-03-02 Thread Sam Klein
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 6:24 PM, Nathan wrote: > Which led to the thought that hey, what we really need is a meta-project > for hosting images that is *explicitly* intended to serve the other > projects. We tried this before, right? But maybe this time we make the > meta-project a technical imple

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA

2014-03-02 Thread Avenue
That would be wonderful. I imagine we would want to tag the images to indicate their copyright status in certain jurisdictions, and set up a mechanism so that projects can define which sorts of images they want to be able to embed in their local pages, and which they do not want (unless a locally E