Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updated dates: Reimagining WMF grants consultation

2016-04-18 Thread Alex Wang
Hi Rupert, You can see the full Community Resources budget, including the grants programs here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Resources/2016-17_Annual_Plan#Budget Note that Rapid Grants are a type of Project Grant and included in that budget. Please note that this budget is still

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Outage for planned maintenance: No editing for two 30-minute periods next week

2016-04-18 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 4:55 AM, Natacha Rault wrote: > Well this is most unfortunate as we have a workshop with new contributors > on the 19t! > I wish I could have been informed much much earlier... > Nattes à chat For list archive posterity, Whatamidoing/Sherry reached out

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

2016-04-18 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Do you really think that democratic processes produce a best result? Do you really think that the Wikimedia Foundation or the United States deserve that label? Many may request democratic processes but I prefer a greater deal of transparency. When you talk about accountability, it is not so

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Media Websites Battle Faltering Ad Revenue and Traffic"

2016-04-18 Thread Vituzzu
Most of dynamical system have a cyclic fashion: if google and facebook will cannibalize content makers they'll run out of contents. In the bush under the fallen giants a new generation of wannabe-monopolists will eventually grow. Our ancestors were sort of rats escaping from dinosaurs' feet.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Foundation ED search steering group created

2016-04-18 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 18 April 2016 at 18:22, Pine W wrote: > Just because an idea is hatched by a few people isn't a reason to dismiss > it. Indeed. Which is why I didn't dismiss it. > It seems to me that any incoming ED needs to know what the plan is, if > there is a plan So far as

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Media Websites Battle Faltering Ad Revenue and Traffic"

2016-04-18 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Thanks, Pine. Some stand-out quotes from the article: *85 cents of every new dollar spent in online advertising will go to Google or Facebook, said Brian Nowak, a Morgan Stanley analyst.* *Facebook also announced that it would open up Instant Articles — which encourage publishers to post

Re: [Wikimedia-l] DARPA FOSSS programs of interest

2016-04-18 Thread James Salsman
> You're suggesting that counsel spend their time writing to > agencies ... when we know almost nothing about them. Again, if there is another way to find out, I'd like to learn it. >> Therefore I think it would be worth writing a letter asking that the >> BOLT, SMISC, and CSFV be returned to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Foundation ED search steering group created

2016-04-18 Thread Oliver Keyes
It's not a reason to *dismiss* it, no, but it's definitely not a reason to entirely reorganise our plans for organisational governance in case it turns out to get traction at *some* point. And that's what you're talking about here; making monumental changes to the timetable, scope and demands of a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

2016-04-18 Thread James Heilman
If Jimmy was to stand for community election and not be elected it will not decrease his ability to be an ambassador for the movement one bit. If he stands for election and wins it will increase his legitimacy. What I think many are requesting is democratic processes and accountability. Our

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Foundation ED search steering group created

2016-04-18 Thread Pine W
Hi Andy, Just because an idea is hatched by a few people isn't a reason to dismiss it. Otherwise, how would ideas get traction? It seems to me that any incoming ED needs to know what the plan is, if there is a plan, regarding possible forks from WMF. It's also highly desirable that, if this is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] DARPA FOSSS programs of interest

2016-04-18 Thread Oliver Keyes
That didn't really identify any of the questions. You're suggesting that counsel spend their time writing to agencies to ask about the copyright status of programs with the intent of considering taking them over, when we know almost nothing about them. Since you've identified the people

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Foundation ED search steering group created

2016-04-18 Thread Pine W
Hi Joseph, No, because board members' first duties are to WMF, not to the community or the affiliates. Pine On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 3:43 AM, Joseph Seddon wrote: > Does Dariusz as a community selected board member not count? > > Seddon > > On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 11:26

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Foundation ED search steering group created

2016-04-18 Thread Dariusz Jemielniak
On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 6:43 AM, Joseph Seddon wrote: > Does Dariusz as a community selected board member not count? > > I would certainly hope that people DO approach me with ideas, and I am definitely very open to the discussion within the community. dj

Re: [Wikimedia-l] DARPA FOSSS programs of interest

2016-04-18 Thread James Salsman
> Where do you see legal standing being a factor...? On further reflection, it would certainly be better to simply ask the DARPA Crowdsourced Formal Verification (CSVF) Program Manager Daniel Ragsdale, who has left DARPA and is now a Professor at Texas A University, about the extent to which

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Foundation ED search steering group created

2016-04-18 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 17 April 2016 at 21:52, Pine W wrote: > But recent discussions have included the possibility of spinning off > components of WMF and/or a breakup of the WMF organization, partly as a way > to mitigate the systemic risk from a dysfunctional or underperforming WMF. > So,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Foundation ED search steering group created

2016-04-18 Thread Joseph Seddon
Does Dariusz as a community selected board member not count? Seddon On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 11:26 AM, Tanweer Morshed wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I agree with Pine on his 3rd proposal. Including a representative from the > affiliates and another from the community into

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Foundation ED search steering group created

2016-04-18 Thread Tanweer Morshed
Hi everyone, I agree with Pine on his 3rd proposal. Including a representative from the affiliates and another from the community into the search steering group should help including the input from wider Wikimedia community. This would be positive both for the search process and the recruitment.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Foundation ED search steering group created

2016-04-18 Thread Oliver Keyes
So you're suggesting we don't find an ED for the biggest org in the movement because there's a thread on a mailing list about spinning bits of it off? I think hiring an ED can be done safely. Spinning elements off the WMF is something that has already been done, repeatedly, be it duties (the FDC,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Foundation ED search steering group created

2016-04-18 Thread Pine W
Lisa, Good to hear. Thanks. I'm aware that my first question might feel like it's a lot for the Board to digest while it's got so many other urgent issues. However, it seems to me that any ED candidate would want to know if spinoffs or a breakup are under consideration, and that if these are